Topic 'Student146;s Expulsion Exposes Computer Science Culture Gap' in forum 'No, I Will Not Fix Your #@$!! Computer' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27944898 en Sat, 18 May 2013 19:16:08 EDT Sat, 18 May 2013 19:16:08 EDT Re: Student146;s Expulsion Exposes Computer Science Culture Gap http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27965142
Yes its in the field of IT but CS isn't aimed at net admins.

that's CiS aka "Computer information Systems"
but um looking over the stuff for it it's lacking and wouldn't really build a proper foundation.
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»Death Star Petition]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27965142 Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:50:29 EDT Re: Student146;s Expulsion Exposes Computer Science Culture Gap http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27963706 "computer science" is not the same thing as "training for an IT job". I belong to an apparently now-crusty generation that doesn't think a university education should exactly coincide with what employers want to hire this year. It's more about building up a solid foundation.

Back to the main topic: at this stage, it looks a lot like he-said/she-said. Whether the expulsion was justified hinges a lot on just how strongly he was told "don't do that any more" and also on the fact of whether it was a test system or on production servers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27963706 Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:41:59 EDT Re: Student146;s Expulsion Exposes Computer Science Culture Gap http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27961358
Not defending the school, but i also think there's more to this than just an "information gap" or lack of reality @ the school/department (which i strongly believe exists in ALL colleges in ALL departments - they teach inside a tiny cocoon, barely preparing students for the real world in ANY capacity)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27961358 Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:50:49 EDT Re: Student146;s Expulsion Exposes Computer Science Culture Gap http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27960142 »dc37.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/compsci/asimonel/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27960142 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:34:32 EDT Re: Student146;s Expulsion Exposes Computer Science Culture Gap http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27958943
The student was working for someone else and that someone else likely didn't give a care about if the school said to stop.
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»Death Star Petition]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27958943 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:48:45 EDT Re: Student146;s Expulsion Exposes Computer Science Culture Gap http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27958750 said by exocet_cm:

I read a portion of the article, maybe I missed it.

He was hired by a company, who developed software for the school he was attending, to conduct a security scan on the software (in use by his school), found a vulnerability, reported it to the company and school, and the school kicked him out?

I think there is more to the story. Sounds like it started with what you said, then the school said to stop looking into it, while it was being fixed. The student continued "testing" it on his own with school resources after being told to stop. I am not defending the school, or its policies, but I do feel that the school may have had a reason and does not necessarily have to defend its position against knee jerk news reporting on the internet with immediate responses. By the time the school releases its reasons, right or wrong, this will have dropped off the main news and it will be on page 10. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27958750 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:56:23 EDT Re: Student146;s Expulsion Exposes Computer Science Culture Gap http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27957584
Likely for the best the kid likely wouldn't learn much there.
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»Death Star Petition]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27957584 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:05:40 EDT Re: Student146;s Expulsion Exposes Computer Science Culture Gap http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27955957
He was hired by a company, who developed software for the school he was attending, to conduct a security scan on the software (in use by his school), found a vulnerability, reported it to the company and school, and the school kicked him out?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27955957 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:35:34 EDT Student146;s Expulsion Exposes Computer Science Culture Gap http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Student146s-Expulsion-Exposes-Computer-Science-Culture-Gap-27944898 securityledger.com/students-expu···ure-gap/

I think this kind of shows that college are not teaching the right skills and that the old college system needs change.

as for what he did it was conducted on a test server only, and using credentials provided to him by the company that makes Omnivox: Skytech Communications.

So maybe he used a tool the wrong way or maybe he want about stuff not the right way. But the school should be teaching about stuff like this or at least tell him what he did wrong not kick him out.

also looking at the skills gaps kind of shows that same things.
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