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norwegian
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Re: System Event Error NTFS Id 134 - bad hard drive?

An image back up is everything, not select folders if you use the image back up. The standard back up, IE XP days only does folders. This will give you a little more to read up on and understand what an image and what you do.
»windows.microsoft.com/en-AU/wind···em-image
»windows.microsoft.com/en-AU/wind···nd-files
»www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/66···kup.html

I quite often put certain items in the C: folder, tools, utilities, so there is no reason not to put a folder for backups of the driver installers either. Or in the admin acct in My Docs.
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Hi norwegian,

Thanks for confirming it's okay to put folders in the root of C. I appreciate the links, I'll go over them in a little while.

You really won't believe what happened with the hard drive. This could only happen to me.

The tech changed the hard drive and informed me he would start the recovery and I'd finish it. Well, when he put the first disk in it showed reading Windows files, then it showed an error - Windows detected a problem with hardware. He ran some tests and called Lenovo. He had me call Lenovo to walk me through the installation.

We kept getting the error message and when we got to the Windows Boot Manager it did not show Windows 7 64 bit to install. I renewed my tech support for another 2 years and the tech is having my motherboard and optical drive replaced and he's sending me out new disks. He said normally installing everything should go smoothly and I just follow the instructions. So now I have to wait for another tech to come next week and replace these items. It's frustrating but my hope is the computer will be in good condition when this is all done.

I have seen errors regarding Disk 1 (which I think is the optical drive) but never thought much about it.
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BTW, I attached my external harddrive to my Vista computer and was able to delete that Windows Image Backup folder without a problem. I was able to safely remove hardware, too.


norwegian
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Sounds like you are on the road to fixing it and learning a little along the way.

Has to be a good thing.
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Libra
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I hope so

I've been looking at those links. As usual, I am confused. In this link »windows.microsoft.com/en-AU/wind···nd-files

the second paragraph says a System Image must be saved on a hard drive. But viewing other paragraphs it states the system image can be burned on dvds, etc. So can I burn a system image selecting the Active partition, C drive and D drive and put it to dvds?

I also noticed in Seven Forums you can make the Windows Repair disk bootable by downloading one or two things. I had no idea about this and I think it would be a good idea when I make my disks.

In the Seven Forums tutorials I happened to come across "convert a basic disk to a dynamic disk". I think it stated you might have to do this or the image won't work. I hope I don't have to do this.

I appreciate your helping me with all of this. Now I'll be waiting for a new motherboard and optical drive. He said the tech may call me Tuesday to schedule it. I'm amazed at all of this!

Sincerely, Libra


norwegian
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For an image, it does not need a HDD, DVD's are fine. You do not need to select what partitions, it is a copy of the HDD itself. Once you understand the image is of the HDD you will understand more. The first link's first paragraph explains it.

A system image is an exact copy of a drive. By default, a system image includes the drives required for Windows to run. It also includes Windows and your system settings, programs, and files. You can use a system image to restore the contents of your computer if your hard disk or computer ever stops working. When you restore your computer from a system image, it's a complete restoration—you can't choose individual items to restore, and all of your current programs, system settings, and files are replaced with the contents of the system image.

All your data, O/S, pictures, restore partitions, data partitions etc are all included.

The disks, DVD's created are fine, there is no need for special rules for BOOT for the DVD's. The recovery DVD's and also the RECOVERY CD are already set to go. Generally you boot from the RECOVERY DVD, but you can also boot from a WINDOWS DVD or even the BACKUP DVD image set them selves.

For basic disk/dynamic disk, this is probably left for the topic on utilizing a specific HDD only for back up images. You may or may not want to go as far as that, but if you do enough work whereby back ups are required monthly then you may need to dig more. Generally though, if you keep all you personal data on external HDD's, then the image set on DVD will give you a full copy of the O/S and all your data from the time of the image back up. You will just need to run Windows update, 3rd party software updates and reload from the back up drive the data you want again.

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For the record any computer company that sends a set of DVD's with the O/S etc is also an image. These things most people do not look at if the technician loads it. But the DVD set is no different than the set created by Windows Backup in Windows 7 - I love the feature that was not in XP.

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Thank you for clarifying all of that. But what I saw in making my Windows System Image it only checked the Active Partition and C drive - it showed D, but it wasn't checked. I put a check in it - I think it's Lenovo's restore (not sure). I know I'm not anywhere near making one yet on disks, but isn't it necessary that I check D?

I won't bother with that bootable stuff for the DVD then. It also seems the dynamic disk doesn't apply to me. I appreciate your explaining all of this to me. I guess I'll starting putting personal files on my external hard drive.

The disks I got from Lenovo are four. Since they are an image, that explains why when I ask if we can remove or not install certain programs, I get told to install everything. I find it interesting that Windows found a problem and wouldn't install Windows.

I plan to set up Windows (admin account, maybe standard users at that time) and set Windows Update to download but let me decide for important updates and make sure the Windows Firewall is on. If Mcafee pops up I'll use add remove to remove it and I put the Mcafee removal tool on a disk, so I will use that. I will skip setting up the internet and install SpywareBlaster, Avast (after removing McAfee) MalwareBytes, SuperAntispyware, HostsExpert. I know none of these will update until after the internet is connected, but they will be in place.

I guess I might wait to install PaleMoon after I connect to the Internet. When I do connect to the internet I will do Updates first.

At some point I will look at the device manager and see the version number of some of those drivers. In the past I had to update some of those drivers because I was getting error messages.

Does this sound good?

I want you to know I appreciate your help and patience very much.

Sincerely, Libra


norwegian
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said by Libra:

Thank you for clarifying all of that. But what I saw in making my Windows System Image it only checked the Active Partition and C drive - it showed D, but it wasn't checked. I put a check in it - I think it's Lenovo's restore (not sure). I know I'm not anywhere near making one yet on disks, but isn't it necessary that I check D?

The initial back up, select everything for the image. You can once things settle only image the C: partition if you want, but if a virus or corruption gets into the boot sector or the partition tables get messed up, to copy everything back, you will need the initial image. Which is why I just select all partitions on the HDD, the only reason not to would be if you are short on space to back up to. For an extra 10 minutes of back up time, and a little more space used it will give you peace of mind. It's a choice though for you to make. If the back up image didn't select all with no options, someone out there would complain, so by default the settings only look after the Windows/system partition.
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I will select everything. I appreciate your help. Now I just need the laptop working. We miss it.

Sincerely, Libra

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Hi norwegian!

I wanted to let you know that when the second tech came he was able to load the new set of disks without a problem, so he didn't have to install a new motherboard. Since I have seen error messages about Disk 1 I asked him to replace the optical drive and he did. The new hard drive is described as WDC! I worked on the computer that day, then took a 2 day break and finished everything. I used the Windows Backup to make a full image and a rescue disk. (I'm going to check and see if Vista can do this.)

Again, I want to thank you for all of your help.

Sincerely, Libra


norwegian
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Fingers crossed it is happy sailing for now then.

Libra
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Thank you.