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Re: Crazy laws

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 01:42:48 EDT

KrK posted : This what happens when Corporations write the laws. The write the laws to line their pockets.

The DMCA anti-circumvention laws have to be removed, period.
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Re: Crazy laws

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:55:28 EDT

Kearnstd posted : The thing with Valve is they focus on a market that never had a big secondary market to begin with. PC gaming has never had a big used game market. Consoles have had a huge used market even since the SNES. And it really took off in the Playstation era.
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Re: Crazy laws

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:51:55 EDT

Chubbysumo posted :

said by dnoyeB:

Destroying the secondary market is the same thing Steam has done for video games. unless you make a steam account for each game.

I have had valve unregister games from my account and make them into gift codes which can be sold, legally, even according to their TOS, as long as they don't know, your in the clear. You just need to get the right person in support. I don't think Valve was 100% at fault for this change at all either. Once game companies started using online registration and one time use game CD keys, the second hand market for PC games was already dying. Its a bad comparison too, because it does not kill the second hand market, phones will just be carrier locked, so if you will now have to look for a phone to use on a specific carrier as well as what other features you want.

Also, have any of these laws ever prevented anyone from unlocking or jailbreaking their phones? the DMCA laws are outdated and need to be rewritten, the only problem is that they will only get worse, because lobbyist have more money than you or I.

Re: Crazy laws

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:12:21 EDT

Kearnstd posted :

said by tschmidt:

said by elwoodblues:

You get less time in jail for armed Robbery,

Or crashing the economy.

well those who crashed the economy own the government so they could murder people and just buy a law that makes it legal for wall street to murder people.
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Re: Crazy laws

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 12:55:22 EDT

tschmidt posted :

said by elwoodblues:

You get less time in jail for armed Robbery,

Or crashing the economy.

Re: Crazy laws

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:48:55 EDT

JakCrow posted : I really can't see this surviving any kind of legal challenge, especially with jailbreaking still being allowed. I think they're undermining their own arbitrary law making with that.

Re: Crazy laws

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:39:41 EDT

dnoyeB posted : which means the price I get for my directly purchased phones when I sell them on ebay will go up quite a bit!

Destroying the secondary market is the same thing Steam has done for video games. unless you make a steam account for each game.

Phone companies will probably be happy with this for a few years while it pushes up their sales. But in the long run its going to make people just stop buying phones from them.
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Re: Crazy laws

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:24:17 EDT

elefante72 posted : This is going to have the unintended (or intended) consequence of destroying the secondary market (used) phones. This will do a few things:

1. If you can buy a phone off of ebay, CL, etc now all of a sudden you are taking a chance that by buying a phone, you now become an oulaw.
2. These new "protection" databases where carriers will be tracking "stolen" phones will be used as an intimidation tool by the mainline carriers to ban phones on their networks AND MVNO, and once they start sharing across the board.
3. Theoretically a carrier locking a phone should be illegal, because even if the phone is subsidized (leased) it is still your property. The action to make whole is the termination fee if one breaks a contract which is a CIVIL not CRIMINAL matter.

Did you hear any of the big guys complain- NO. They LOVE this, it artificially limits competition. It's like you have to scrap your 2 year old car and buy another new one (cash for clunkers), except the car still has robust economic value for many years....Guess what cars, phones, etc depreciate in value like heck in the first 2 years. I can buy a 2 year old phone that "cost" $500 for $100.

The imperial government is in the process of criminalizing civil matters so they can simply gain more control and the lobbyists use the congress and pres to be their hammer.

Copyright, etc are purely civil not criminal matters and breaking DRM is not breaking the law at all. By finding a hole in intellectual property (known as an INVENTION) that person who breaks the DRM should be filing a patent, not going to jail. Of course that is yet another way the government limits competition and the entrepreneurial spirit. And then we become Greece.

Re: Crazy laws

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:18:07 EDT

Transmaster posted : Is there any surprise with this sort of thing. When you have the RIAA using the provisions of the same law to sue people for an amount for one song shared that exceeds the total revenues for the entire history of the recording industry. The solution is the purchase your phone outright and then look for a carrier as they do in Europe. Chinavasion has all kinds of smart phones that can operate anywhere in the world and many have multiple SIM slots so you can actually run more then one carrier. Friends at work are ordering stuff from this outfit and they have been very pleased with what they are getting for such a cheap price.
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Re: Crazy laws

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:11:04 EDT

camelot posted : I don't understand how they're actually going to know??

There are plenty of ways to unlock your phone, and if a company truly wants your business, they're not going to care.

Crazy laws

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:02:26 EDT

elwoodblues posted : You get less time in jail for armed Robbery, which has real victims then unlocking a phone or camping a movie.

That's why you get when you allow lobbyists to write laws.