 RolteC0h
join:2001-05-20
Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1 | reply to Vamp
Re: [Northeast] High pings / bad routing...Oh yeah, its bad tonight, and going to get worse with EVERYONE being on the internet. Most likely the same deal all day tomorrow.
Its not just inside Verizon's network, its also their routers connecting to other locations. Especially Alter.net which is their main provider for serving their network.
The trace route is to a friend just across the Hudson. Double the normal ping, speeds also nothing between us. So what is the excuse here??????????
Tracing route to pool-108-50-226-22.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net [108.50.226.22]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms [192.168.1.1]
2 3 ms 1 ms 1 ms L.NYCMNY-VFTTP-.verizon-gni.net [71]
3 11 ms 9 ms 11 ms G0-1-1-3.NYCMNY-LCR-22.verizon-gni.net [130.81.188.72]
4 7 ms 6 ms 5 ms so-5-0-0-0.NY5030-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net [130.81.22.18]
5 43 ms 22 ms 14 ms xe-3-0-6-0.NWRK-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net [130.81.23.187]
6 27 ms 18 ms 21 ms B100.NWRKNJ-LCR-21.verizon-gni.net [130.81.209.155]
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 32 ms 24 ms 31 ms pool-108-50-226-.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net [108.50.226.]
Trace complete.
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RolteC0h
join:2001-05-20
Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1 | reply to Vamp
How much worse can it get? |
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 Smith6612Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:22 | That is a pretty awful smokeping to Optimum Lightpath.
I'm still waiting to hear what's going on. It seems like no one I've asked has a clue as to why or what is doing this. |
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RolteC0h
join:2001-05-20
Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1 | I just changed IP's and instantly both ways to opt online and light path, my ping went from 90's to high 20's.
Same routing.
What the hell? |
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Smith6612Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:22 Reviews:
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·Frontier Communi..
| Is the routing the exact same to the dot? If your IP changed you're likely going down different circuits/ports while going through essentially the same route. Try looking at the beginning of the names in the traces, they sometimes clue into this.
Also, might want to consider checking reverse traceroutes/pings to see what the return path is like too. |
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Really slow tonight. Using Google public dns helps somewhat but still is slow overall. Online gaming, streaming video out of the question for tonight. |
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jk111
join:2013-01-27
Auburn, NY | reply to Vamp
5:47 PM today, same issues. Here's a traceroute to google |
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I'm still experiencing major lag and lag spikes. I was just playing my game online and a huge lag spike completely froze me for around a minute or two.
Seriously Verizon, you need to look into this and fix your shoddy network, it's been a damn month already with no resolution. |
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guppy_fishPremium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
kudos:1 | You can vent all you like, its not a Verizon's issue, its the peering points with is the down stream network limitation
Looks like the days of lag free internet are over when all the kiddies go to play their games |
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guppy_fishPremium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
kudos:1 | reply to jk111
Nothing wrong in the trace router to Google except to show the Google peering point in nyc is a choke point ( Googles issue, not Verizon )
And using an Non-Verizon DNS will hammer routing as it bypasses Verizon's preferred routing |
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McBane
join:2008-08-22
Plano, TX | This happens (and was predicted on this forum here when Verizon first announced their "Quantum" tiers) any time Verizon ups the FiOS network speeds. Their backbone capacity is never up to par for the FiOS speed upgrades and it takes them 4 to 6 months to fix all their capacity and peering issues. |
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jk111
join:2013-01-27
Auburn, NY | reply to guppy_fish
I don't know how you can say it's not a Verizon issue. Earlier traceroutes I've posted show timeouts at verizon peering points, as well as alter peering points, and alter (MCI) is owned by Verizon now. This is a Verizon issue. |
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hubrisnxs
join:2009-12-30
Fountain Valley, CA
kudos:1 | reply to jk111
Re: [Northeast] High pings / bad routing... I found this email, maybe try shooting them an email with all your traceroutes, and see what course of action they can take or what direction they point you in. This is more for the folks with latency and time outs to TINET's 'tinet-gw.customer' peering point
peering@tinet.net.--
»drpeering.net/workshops/presos/1···uses.pdf
This looks like an SLA for Peering points between several providers including verizon and TINET
It also shows verizon is using OC192's which is just a MAMMOTH connection. |
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For just the sake of comparing things, do a search for "looking glass server" and compare their results to yours. At least you will get an idea if it is an issue localized to VZ or seen by other carriers as well. It may also help you set your expectations. |
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guppy_fishPremium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
kudos:1 Reviews:
 ·Verizon FiOS
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said by jk111:I don't know how you can say it's not a Verizon issue. Earlier traceroutes I've posted show timeouts at verizon peering points, as well as alter peering points, and alter (MCI) is owned by Verizon now. This is a Verizon issue.
I've tried to explain you can't use ping for diagnostics, no one listens
I've tried to explain peering, people don't get it
Verizon isn't the issue, its the paths outside of the network which continually show up at the peering points, meaning your going from Verizons network, which is vastly larger in capacity to any other network ( in capacity ) in the US, to smaller networks, that can't handle the traffic
YouTube/Google is all messed up with the volume of traffic they don't have the peering to support the requests, HD support only makes things worse
Gaming sites are low budget and are constantly getting hosed by over subscription
The bottom line is, the internet has now matches our highway system for performance, when everyone get on it, there are area's that get traffic jams
There are intermittent times within Verizon do have slowdowns, usually a failed router or router table opps maybe a fiber line got cut, but almost all the time it's out Verizon's network.
The issue isn't Verizon, its the expectation that you can get low latency connections to anywhere, anytime .. that is gone forever, well until they implement for pay QOS, so your "important" traffic get priority for a hefty fee .. coming to a bill near you sometime this decade.
If you still believe I'm wrong, I encourage you to switch to you favorite alternative internet provider .. you then will realize its a much bigger issue then Verizon |
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jk111
join:2013-01-27
Auburn, NY | I have a Comcast connection as well and never experience the issues im having with Verizon, specifically horrible Youtube streaming. And yes, I check at the same time during the day. |
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Hulk Smash!!!!
While guppy_fish may be dealing with some anger issues right now, I do agree with some of his statements.
Xtreme2damax, you were complaining about TW a while back on the same issue. What are you expecting? |
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guppy_fishPremium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
kudos:1 | reply to jk111
Less traffic on Comcast -to- Google peering, mostly due to much lower average last mile connections speeds
Verizon users, now with the slowest tier of 50mbs can suck the Google peering point dry ... |
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guppy_fishPremium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
kudos:1 Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
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said by KillABrew:Hulk Smash!!!!
While guppy_fish may be dealing with some anger issues right now
No anger here  , I'll just keep posting facts, maybe one day someone will listen  |
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