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Networking Ideas Questions for a Retro Build.

As you can see here »Project: New office build out..

I have moved my office from upstairs to downstairs.
Now I have the task to rewire the network closet and move it from upstairs to downstairs.

The Idea I had was to keep the existing cabling and to put a punch down panel in the attic. Than go from the punch down to the patch panel downstairs.
Any cons on using a punch down panel to a patch panel?
Any thoughts ideas?

TIA!
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Are you talking about Ethernet or phone wiring?

Punchdown blocks are fine for phone but I would not use them for high speed Ethernet.

Why not just stick an Ethernet switch in the old location and run cables to your new office?

/tom

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What kind of punch? I wouldn't recommend a 66-block for ethernet. They aren't rated for such high frequencies.

* Granted, I ran a single ethernet (100M) across a telco CO using the existing T1 smartjacks. (those are wirewrap! and yes, they were tagged out so people couldn't plug bantum jacks into them.) It worked, but it was the only one on that 50 pair. And likely the only thing on it most of the time -- it was a span to bring test circuits up the NOC, where they had the SS7 diag terminal.


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Here is what I was thinking of using.

»www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/SectionD···te=10251
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Pictures of the existing cabling you want to move?

That stuff is Cat5e rated, but eventually, it has to find it's way to an RJ45 plug or socket. And that site doesn't appear to sell the 110-socket (only C4-RJ45 cables, which would do if the switch is next the patch.)


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said by cramer:

Pictures of the existing cabling you want to move?

That stuff is Cat5e rated, but eventually, it has to find it's way to an RJ45 plug or socket. And that site doesn't appear to sell the 110-socket (only C4-RJ45 cables, which would do if the switch is next the patch.)

Pics of the existing network.
»Network Upgrade 3.0
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Easy way would be to put a switch in the location... But if it's an access or environmental problem; no reason why you couldn't use 110 or a Bix block to splice. Both are rated for 100M ethernet, as long as they are installed properly (less then 1/2" of untwist in the pairs) - and GigaBix wafers are even rated for 1000BaseT.

It would also be possible to connectorize (RJ-45) the ends of the existing and new cables, and use RJ-45 bulkheads to connect them, but that's ugly, and I'd try and avoid it, if I could, myself.


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Well the old office is going to turn in to the new kids room and they need the closet.

How about if I have it go to a patch panel on the attic and then down to another patch panel on the office? I am sure I can go directly to the switch at that point but for the sake of "clean"
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Jacket93

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Are you planning to run cables from your basement to the old location?

If you are you can use the 110 patch panel you found and punch down your existing cable on the patch panel install the c4 clips then punch your feeder cables on top of them But remember you have a 100 meter length limit on cat 5.

Best bet would be just install a switch in the attic and run a up-link to the switch from the basement switch.


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Here is a basic pic of what I mean.

»www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/premises···lock.jpg


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reply to Jacket93
Thanks for the info.

I am not worried about distance as I am only going about 50FT total on each drop. So i can use a 110 Cat5e Block and use a C4 to cross connect it back to the patch panel downstairs.
Does that sound about right?
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Jacket93

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You got it. I have used this method before when moving closets and cabinets


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Jacket93,

Thanks for the help and info.
One more question.

I was told that no matter what punch block I use I will have issues with crosstalk. Did you experience any issues in the past with your setups?

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Jacket93

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If you keep the proper twist with the cables and have the insulation cut back right to the connectors you should not have a issue with crosstalk. Just sure you have the C4's punched down evenly or you will have issues.

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said by XCOM:

Well the old office is going to turn in to the new kids room and they need the closet.

How about if I have it go to a patch panel on the attic and then down to another patch panel on the office? I am sure I can go directly to the switch at that point but for the sake of "clean"

do exactly this, but i woud get three patch panels.

patch the current drops to 1st patch panel. patch the new drops to the 2nd patch panel. mount these next to e/o and use 1 ft patch cables to patch port 1 to port 1, port 2 to port 2, port 3 to port 3.....

in the new office, take the other end of the new cable runs and punch them down to the 3rd patch panel.

from there, use patch cables needed to terminate devices.

how many total drops? you can also punch down phone on the patch panels.


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said by tomdlgns:

said by XCOM:

Well the old office is going to turn in to the new kids room and they need the closet.

How about if I have it go to a patch panel on the attic and then down to another patch panel on the office? I am sure I can go directly to the switch at that point but for the sake of "clean"

do exactly this, but i woud get three patch panels.

patch the current drops to 1st patch panel. patch the new drops to the 2nd patch panel. mount these next to e/o and use 1 ft patch cables to patch port 1 to port 1, port 2 to port 2, port 3 to port 3.....

in the new office, take the other end of the new cable runs and punch them down to the 3rd patch panel.

from there, use patch cables needed to terminate devices.

how many total drops? you can also punch down phone on the patch panels.

What tha?
lol

Too late I just got the Panduit 110 punchdown block in
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what? too much work or you you not understand what i was trying to explain?


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said by Jacket93:

Here is a basic pic of what I mean.

»www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/premises···lock.jpg

Jacket93,

Does it matter which one goes on the bottom and which on the top?
I was thinking... Cat5e to the patch panel on the bottom and the C4 to the PC...
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Any body?


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Overly complicated to use multiple patch panels for a static situation... 110 or Bix is cleaner and more reliable...


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ok so I got the 110 block done. I hope I did it right :/ I dont think it really matters which goes where so I am crossing my fingers
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LazMan
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Well, as long as you didn't split pairs, you should be fine... The standard would be white/blue-blue, white/orange-orange, wh/green-green, wh/br-brown; but that's not really going to break anything, if that's not how you did it; as long as both sides are the same.


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110-Punchdown
LazMan,

Thanks for your reply. That's how I did it...
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jeffmoss26

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That looks fine. You then put the C4 clips on top of those and punch your other cables down.


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said by jeffmoss26:

That looks fine. You then put the C4 clips on top of those and punch your other cables down.

Awesome!

Thanks. Doing the C4 clips today and the rest of the network.
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jeffmoss26

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Be careful, those clips are impossible to remove without breaking!
I do not like 110 blocks.


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said by jeffmoss26:

Be careful, those clips are impossible to remove without breaking!
I do not like 110 blocks.

Why would I want to remove them?

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said by XCOM:

Why would I want to remove them?

1) you push the clip down in the wrong place.
2) you need to replace/re-terminate field cabling

/tom


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said by tschmidt:

said by XCOM:

Why would I want to remove them?

1) you push the clip down in the wrong place.
2) you need to replace/re-terminate field cabling

/tom

#1 you must be really stupid
#2 I could see that
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said by XCOM:

#1 you must be really stupid
#2 I could see that

I, unlike you apparently, am not perfect and occasionally make mistakes.

/tom