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34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

[DSL] Bell FTTN 50 Mbps tier

So I see that Bell will be rolling out a new FTTN 50 Mbps tier soon. As I had predicted they would do. I wonder how long until TSI has access to said tier.



jmck
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Ottawa, ON
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said by 34764170:

So I see that Bell will be rolling out a new FTTN 50 Mbps tier soon. As I had predicted they would do. I wonder how long until TSI has access to said tier.

i'd guess they'd get it pretty soon, but i doubt they actually want to sell it and take on that extra capacity with their current costs until they can negotiate a lower rate with Bell. This is also why other providers aren't even offering 25Mbit.

curious where you're seeing 50Mbit/FTTN?


jmck
formerly 'shaded'

join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON

it seems the new 50/10 package is now on the Bell site.


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to jmck

said by jmck:

curious where you're seeing 50Mbit/FTTN?

Mentioned as being launched on Monday in a thread in the Bell sub-forum.

The Mongoose

join:2010-01-05
Toronto, ON
reply to jmck

So it is. Details:

$87/month + tax
First 6 months $33 off
$4 off if you bundle services
No installation or modem fees
175 GB Cap, $1/GB overage, max $80.


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to 34764170

They really need this new tier. The 25Mbps tier is pretty weak with both Internet and HD IPTV on the same pipe and trying to push 2 or more HD channels concurrently. Supposedly this will be limited to nodes using the 7330 DSLAM. Wonder how long until Bell finally rolls out VDSL2 Vectoring to allow for an even higher speed tier like 75Mbps.


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to The Mongoose

said by The Mongoose:

So it is. Details:

$87/month + tax
First 6 months $33 off
$4 off if you bundle services
No installation or modem fees
175 GB Cap, $1/GB overage, max $80.

In the thread it was mentioned there is some sort of option for $30 to allow for unlimited.

The Mongoose

join:2010-01-05
Toronto, ON

On the site Bell seems to say you can get an additional 125 GB for $25, but I didn't see anything about unlimited for $30. Might be hidden somewhere.



neuromancer1

join:2007-01-22
York, ON
reply to 34764170

Only $87.00 with 175GB cap could they make it anymore expensive with a lower cap? That price is completely insane.


kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8
reply to 34764170

said by 34764170:

They really need this new tier. The 25Mbps tier is pretty weak with both Internet and HD IPTV on the same pipe and trying to push 2 or more HD channels concurrently. Supposedly this will be limited to nodes using the 7330 DSLAM. Wonder how long until Bell finally rolls out VDSL2 Vectoring to allow for an even higher speed tier like 75Mbps.

Well now 25mb with IPTV should be fine on stingers... they didn't really needed a new tier per say.

kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8

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reply to The Mongoose

said by The Mongoose:

On the site Bell seems to say you can get an additional 125 GB for $25, but I didn't see anything about unlimited for $30. Might be hidden somewhere.

I don't see Bell offering that since they still have a max cap/80$.

Well never it's 30$ and if bundle with 3 services it's 10$.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to kovy

said by kovy:

Well now 25mb with IPTV should be fine on stingers.

Can you clarify what you meant by that..

kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8

said by 34764170:

said by kovy:

Well now 25mb with IPTV should be fine on stingers.

Can you clarify what you meant by that..

Well obviously they can just put a 50mbps profile and cap your Internet speed at 25mbps and leave the rest to IPTV.

Same way they did it with 15/10... Don't know why it took them this long to do it in the first place.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

Ah, ok. Well I found it hard to believe they would limit the service to the newer DSLAMs. We'll see... but the more coverage the better.


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to kovy

said by kovy:

Don't know why it took them this long to do it in the first place.

*shrug* There is more than enough demand for such a tier for Internet alone never mind with Internet + IPTV.

kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8
reply to 34764170

said by 34764170:

Ah, ok. Well I found it hard to believe they would limit the service to the newer DSLAMs. We'll see... but the more coverage the better.

Well what they will limit is probably the 50/10 + IPTV for 7330 SLAMs only. 7330 supports 17a, stinger 12a only... stinger will probably only have 25/10 with IPTV (but 50/10 for sure is available without the IPTV).... Unless they just don't care about the loss of Internet speed for stingers.

sunnyd71

join:2004-05-22
l7z2t4
reply to 34764170

If you have a bundle $10 for unlimited! Not bad.

I wonder what profile they are putting you on for 50/10 + iptv. Watching all streams and having the Internet drop to 30 Mbps wouldn't be great.


kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8

said by sunnyd71:

If you have a bundle $10 for unlimited! Not bad.

I wonder what profile they are putting you on for 50/10 + iptv. Watching all streams and having the Internet drop to 30 Mbps wouldn't be great.

around 75-80mbps.

But where did this 10$ unlimited come from ?

sunnyd71

join:2004-05-22
l7z2t4

said by kovy:

said by sunnyd71:

If you have a bundle $10 for unlimited! Not bad.

I wonder what profile they are putting you on for 50/10 + iptv. Watching all streams and having the Internet drop to 30 Mbps wouldn't be great.

around 75-80mbps.

But where did this 10$ unlimited come from ?

I called, it's available now. Where did you get confirmation of the 75-80?

kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8

said by sunnyd71:

said by kovy:

said by sunnyd71:

If you have a bundle $10 for unlimited! Not bad.

I wonder what profile they are putting you on for 50/10 + iptv. Watching all streams and having the Internet drop to 30 Mbps wouldn't be great.

around 75-80mbps.

But where did this 10$ unlimited come from ?

I called, it's available now. Where did you get confirmation of the 75-80?

I've seen it...


ChuckcZar

@teksavvy.com
reply to 34764170

Problem is the odds of it being available is about one in 250 or .004 percent. Just like Telus they can only kid themselves and the public for so long before they realize this is basically like dsl and unless you live on the remote dslam it's forgetitsville.


kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8

said by ChuckcZar :

Problem is the odds of it being available is about one in 250 or .004 percent. Just like Telus they can only kid themselves and the public for so long before they realize this is basically like dsl and unless you live on the remote dslam it's forgetitsville.

Damn I must be lucky...

SLAMtech

join:2009-12-03
kudos:1
reply to 34764170

Where there are fttn deployments ( Kitchener, Ottawa and GTA.....) you would be surprised at how many people qualify for 50/10. Every single apartment building served with FTTB should be able to attain those speeds as most apartment buildings on a 7330 have attainables of 140/30. O slams won't be a problem on most apartment buildings as well.


InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to ChuckcZar

said by ChuckcZar :

Problem is the odds of it being available is about one in 250 or .004 percent.

If you can get 25/10, there is a roughly 40% chance that you can get 50/10. (Twice the speed = slightly less than half the reach.)

About half the people who have posted line stats on 25/7 or 25/10 VDSL2 since it got introduced nearly three years ago had attainable max rates over 70Mbps, so Bell had the ability to offer 50Mbps to about half the subscribers wherever 25Mbps is available all along.

The real mystery is why they decided to wait so long.
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sunnyd71

join:2004-05-22
l7z2t4
reply to InvalidError

Re: [DSL] Bell FTTN 50 Mbps tier

said by InvalidError:

said by ChuckcZar :

Problem is the odds of it being available is about one in 250 or .004 percent.

If you can get 25/10, there is a roughly 40% chance that you can get 50/10. (Twice the speed = slightly less than half the reach.)

About half the people who have posted line stats on 25/7 or 25/10 VDSL2 since it got introduced nearly three years ago had attainable max rates over 70Mbps, so Bell had the ability to offer 50Mbps to about half the subscribers wherever 25Mbps is available all along.

The real mystery is why they decided to wait so long.

I'd say for the appearance of annual upgrades when it is cheaper to physically do larger upgrades bi-annually. Looks better to customers and easier to justify price increases I'd speculate.


David D

@rogers.com
reply to InvalidError

Haha my thoughts exactly. Rogers is killing them with their new speeds, this speed update is well overdue. Btw... Bell has unlimited caps now but it comes at an exta fee.



Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to 34764170

My line stats:

GAS: (removed) - In Service
Last State Change: 12/10 08:37:55 (Uptime: 221940)
Line Profile: V26944-20032_11328-2048_00011
DLM State: DISABLED | Equip. Type: OSLAM
Sync Rate: d26936.0/u11320.0 kbps
RCO: d43.0/u83.0%
Noise Margin: d25.0/u6.0 dB
Power: d14.0/u-22.0 dB
Attenuation: d6.0/u6.0 dB (Approx. Distance: 0.43~0.67km)
Block Count: d52397296.0/u78673736.0

It'll be tight, but my attainable on the downstream is 62,641 Kbps, and I would guess a 50 meg profile would be 53,872 kbps, so I should qualify for 50/10...
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sunnyd71

join:2004-05-22
l7z2t4

said by Guspaz:

My line stats:

GAS: (removed) - In Service
Last State Change: 12/10 08:37:55 (Uptime: 221940)
Line Profile: V26944-20032_11328-2048_00011
DLM State: DISABLED | Equip. Type: OSLAM
Sync Rate: d26936.0/u11320.0 kbps
RCO: d43.0/u83.0%
Noise Margin: d25.0/u6.0 dB
Power: d14.0/u-22.0 dB
Attenuation: d6.0/u6.0 dB (Approx. Distance: 0.43~0.67km)
Block Count: d52397296.0/u78673736.0

It'll be tight, but my attainable on the downstream is 62,641 Kbps, and I would guess a 50 meg profile would be 53,872 kbps, so I should qualify for 50/10...

How can you check line stats in Bell's Sagecom?


HiVolt
Premium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
kudos:21
reply to Guspaz

It looks like 50/10 is available for my phone number, on Bell's site... and I'm only served by a Lucent Stinger...
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