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ChuckcZar

@teksavvy.com
reply to 34764170

Re: [DSL] Bell FTTN 50 Mbps tier

Problem is the odds of it being available is about one in 250 or .004 percent. Just like Telus they can only kid themselves and the public for so long before they realize this is basically like dsl and unless you live on the remote dslam it's forgetitsville.


kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8

said by ChuckcZar :

Problem is the odds of it being available is about one in 250 or .004 percent. Just like Telus they can only kid themselves and the public for so long before they realize this is basically like dsl and unless you live on the remote dslam it's forgetitsville.

Damn I must be lucky...

SLAMtech

join:2009-12-03
kudos:1
reply to 34764170

Where there are fttn deployments ( Kitchener, Ottawa and GTA.....) you would be surprised at how many people qualify for 50/10. Every single apartment building served with FTTB should be able to attain those speeds as most apartment buildings on a 7330 have attainables of 140/30. O slams won't be a problem on most apartment buildings as well.


InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to ChuckcZar

said by ChuckcZar :

Problem is the odds of it being available is about one in 250 or .004 percent.

If you can get 25/10, there is a roughly 40% chance that you can get 50/10. (Twice the speed = slightly less than half the reach.)

About half the people who have posted line stats on 25/7 or 25/10 VDSL2 since it got introduced nearly three years ago had attainable max rates over 70Mbps, so Bell had the ability to offer 50Mbps to about half the subscribers wherever 25Mbps is available all along.

The real mystery is why they decided to wait so long.
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sunnyd71

join:2004-05-22
l7z2t4
reply to InvalidError

Re: [DSL] Bell FTTN 50 Mbps tier

said by InvalidError:

said by ChuckcZar :

Problem is the odds of it being available is about one in 250 or .004 percent.

If you can get 25/10, there is a roughly 40% chance that you can get 50/10. (Twice the speed = slightly less than half the reach.)

About half the people who have posted line stats on 25/7 or 25/10 VDSL2 since it got introduced nearly three years ago had attainable max rates over 70Mbps, so Bell had the ability to offer 50Mbps to about half the subscribers wherever 25Mbps is available all along.

The real mystery is why they decided to wait so long.

I'd say for the appearance of annual upgrades when it is cheaper to physically do larger upgrades bi-annually. Looks better to customers and easier to justify price increases I'd speculate.


David D

@rogers.com
reply to InvalidError

Haha my thoughts exactly. Rogers is killing them with their new speeds, this speed update is well overdue. Btw... Bell has unlimited caps now but it comes at an exta fee.



Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to 34764170

My line stats:

GAS: (removed) - In Service
Last State Change: 12/10 08:37:55 (Uptime: 221940)
Line Profile: V26944-20032_11328-2048_00011
DLM State: DISABLED | Equip. Type: OSLAM
Sync Rate: d26936.0/u11320.0 kbps
RCO: d43.0/u83.0%
Noise Margin: d25.0/u6.0 dB
Power: d14.0/u-22.0 dB
Attenuation: d6.0/u6.0 dB (Approx. Distance: 0.43~0.67km)
Block Count: d52397296.0/u78673736.0

It'll be tight, but my attainable on the downstream is 62,641 Kbps, and I would guess a 50 meg profile would be 53,872 kbps, so I should qualify for 50/10...
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sunnyd71

join:2004-05-22
l7z2t4

said by Guspaz:

My line stats:

GAS: (removed) - In Service
Last State Change: 12/10 08:37:55 (Uptime: 221940)
Line Profile: V26944-20032_11328-2048_00011
DLM State: DISABLED | Equip. Type: OSLAM
Sync Rate: d26936.0/u11320.0 kbps
RCO: d43.0/u83.0%
Noise Margin: d25.0/u6.0 dB
Power: d14.0/u-22.0 dB
Attenuation: d6.0/u6.0 dB (Approx. Distance: 0.43~0.67km)
Block Count: d52397296.0/u78673736.0

It'll be tight, but my attainable on the downstream is 62,641 Kbps, and I would guess a 50 meg profile would be 53,872 kbps, so I should qualify for 50/10...

How can you check line stats in Bell's Sagecom?


HiVolt
Premium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
kudos:21
reply to Guspaz

It looks like 50/10 is available for my phone number, on Bell's site... and I'm only served by a Lucent Stinger...
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5
reply to ChuckcZar

said by ChuckcZar :

Problem is the odds of it being available is about one in 250 or .004 percent. Just like Telus they can only kid themselves and the public for so long before they realize this is basically like dsl and unless you live on the remote dslam it's forgetitsville.

Telus actually has around 60-75% DSLAM footprint, they're laughing all the way to the bank. Bell has no real DSLAM footprint (maybe 40%
) which is ironic given all the copper they own.

kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8

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reply to HiVolt

said by HiVolt:

It looks like 50/10 is available for my phone number, on Bell's site... and I'm only served by a Lucent Stinger...

Oh yeah that's not going to be the problem, what's going to be the problem is 50/10 with fibeTV.


HiVolt
Premium
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Toronto, ON
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said by kovy:

said by HiVolt:

It looks like 50/10 is available for my phone number, on Bell's site... and I'm only served by a Lucent Stinger...

Oh yeah that's going to be the problem, what's going to be the problem is 50/10 with fibeTV.

Oh yeah, i see what you mean....

No FibeTV here, hehe... I wonder how long the stinger will hold up in terms of congestion once people start signing up for the 50meg tiers.
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kovy

join:2009-03-26
kudos:8

said by HiVolt:

said by kovy:

said by HiVolt:

It looks like 50/10 is available for my phone number, on Bell's site... and I'm only served by a Lucent Stinger...

Oh yeah that's going to be the problem, what's going to be the problem is 50/10 with fibeTV.

Oh yeah, i see what you mean....

No FibeTV here, hehe... I wonder how long the stinger will hold up in terms of congestion once people start signing up for the 50meg tiers.

Yeah... yours still has congestion ? I know Bell recently put a 7330 beside my stinger.


HiVolt
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said by kovy:

Yeah... yours still has congestion ? I know Bell recently put a 7330 beside my stinger.

No, no congestion now (except teksavvy's), with bell login is fine...

I've seen 7330's put alongside the stingers in the area, except not mine!!! the horror!
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creed3020
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join:2006-04-26
Kitchener, ON
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reply to 34764170

Well this is most interesting. I was wondering what Bell's response would be to Roger's recent re-speeding. They had to do something and this makes perfect sense.

Now TSI getting these new speeds is not likely for some time as it will take paperwork to make it happen I'm sure.



Dones

join:2008-02-14
Toronto, ON
reply to 34764170

Am I the only one surprised that bell is offering unlimited for $30? I wonder if that applies to ftth.


HeadSpinning
MNSi Internet

join:2005-05-29
Windsor, ON
kudos:5

said by Dones:

Am I the only one surprised that bell is offering unlimited for $30? I wonder if that applies to ftth.

If Bell's CBB rates to wholesale customers are truly based in reality, and not in fantasy, then they shouldn't be able to economically offer unlimited on 50/10 FTTN.
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5

said by HeadSpinning:

said by Dones:

Am I the only one surprised that bell is offering unlimited for $30? I wonder if that applies to ftth.

If Bell's CBB rates to wholesale customers are truly based in reality, and not in fantasy, then they shouldn't be able to economically offer unlimited on 50/10 FTTN.

Well we all know it's not based on actual costs..


silvercat

join:2007-11-07
reply to Dones

Perhaps they already know that the upcoming capacity rate decision will not be favourable to them, so this could be a way of "pre-empting" better packages that could be offered by the independent ISP's.


InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to sunnyd71

said by sunnyd71:

I'd say for the appearance of annual upgrades when it is cheaper to physically do larger upgrades bi-annually.

What physical upgrades would those be? They are using the same equipments they started rolling out around three years ago - even the old VDSL2 Stingers and Cellpipe modems could do over 70Mbps when the distance is short enough so upgrades were not the reason for holding back.

From the rumors I remember reading, this seems to be about 1.5 years later than when Bell originally wanted to roll it out.

Well, at least now it is done.

InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to HeadSpinning

said by HeadSpinning:

If Bell's CBB rates to wholesale customers are truly based in reality, and not in fantasy, then they shouldn't be able to economically offer unlimited on 50/10 FTTN.

Well, some of those wholesale customers are still somehow managing to offer unlimited with those rates for lower price than the incumbents' nearest equivalent.

It is called averaging. The average person who pays for "unlimited" uses nowhere near that much. As long as the price is set right with a broad enough spread of usage patterns, it averages out fine.


Guspaz
Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to sunnyd71

said by sunnyd71:

How can you check line stats in Bell's Sagecom?

I don't know, I don't have a Sagemcom modem. Those line stats were pulled by TSI.

Looks like Bell says I don't qualify for 50/10, even though my line stats say I should be able to...
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HeadSpinning
MNSi Internet

join:2005-05-29
Windsor, ON
kudos:5
reply to InvalidError

said by InvalidError:

said by HeadSpinning:

If Bell's CBB rates to wholesale customers are truly based in reality, and not in fantasy, then they shouldn't be able to economically offer unlimited on 50/10 FTTN.

Well, some of those wholesale customers are still somehow managing to offer unlimited with those rates for lower price than the incumbents' nearest equivalent.

It is called averaging. The average person who pays for "unlimited" uses nowhere near that much. As long as the price is set right with a broad enough spread of usage patterns, it averages out fine.

ISPs have already stated that with the CBB pricing model, even after price increases, they're no longer making any profit on wholesale GAS services. The only reason they've not raised them yet is because they're waiting for an appeal on the CBB rates. Every month the decision is delayed costs them money, but multiple package changes in a short period only angers consumers, which serves the incumbents interests.

By the way, I'm not an idiot. I understand the concept of averaging usage, probably more than you ever will.
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creed3020
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Kitchener, ON
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reply to 34764170

WOW, Bell has brought back Unlimited. They just played an ace from their deck, not sure how many of those they have left...

This gives them just a little more carrot to dangle in front of people to ensure they don't cancel, and I don't like that they will use this now to sway people from making a better choice. Especially when you consider that the discount is tied up with a bundle, clear gouging there.


InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to HeadSpinning

said by HeadSpinning:

ISPs have already stated that with the CBB pricing model, even after price increases, they're no longer making any profit on wholesale GAS services.

Start.ca did not exist on legacy tariff rates. I doubt a new entrant would be able to stay in business long enough to see the CRTCs' decisions to produce favorable tariff changes if they did not set prices to manage a profit on the services they offer now, however thin it may be.


silvercat

join:2007-11-07
Reviews:
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said by InvalidError:

Start.ca did not exist on legacy tariff rates. I doubt a new entrant would be able to stay in business long enough to see the CRTCs' decisions to produce favorable tariff changes if they did not set prices to manage a profit on the services they offer now, however thin it may be.

Even Start is not making a profit, at least in Cogeco served areas, even with their revised packages:
»Re: New packages are available


HiVolt
Premium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
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reply to HiVolt

Teksavvy wont be able to support 50meg dsl very well, since they can't even sustain 25meg in peak hours...

The 1gig AGAS model is horribly broken, they need to push for 10gig if they are to remain competitive.
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HeadSpinning
MNSi Internet

join:2005-05-29
Windsor, ON
kudos:5
reply to InvalidError

said by InvalidError:

Start.ca did not exist on legacy tariff rates. I doubt a new entrant would be able to stay in business long enough to see the CRTCs' decisions to produce favorable tariff changes if they did not set prices to manage a profit on the services they offer now, however thin it may be.

Start is an established ISP that newly entered the cable market. As has been pointed out above, they're not making money on CBB rates.
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funny

join:2010-12-22
reply to 34764170

said by 34764170:

So I see that Bell will be rolling out a new FTTN 50 Mbps tier soon. As I had predicted they would do. I wonder how long until TSI has access to said tier.

bell learn what a megabit is yet?
ya know 1 megabit = 125kilobytes/sec?