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daveinpoway
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Poway, CA
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reply to frogli6

Re: Avoiding E911 fee

Yes, I know about Google Voice, but I picked up a nice Polycom IP telephone last week (in a thrift-shop) and I would like to use this (instead of the Obi ATA).


billaustin
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reply to daveinpoway
said by daveinpoway:

As I stated earlier, if I had an emergency and a guest had to call 911, as soon as they picked up the phone, it would default to the AT&T landline and emergency calls could be made there. It would be necessary for them to manually select another line in order to connect to the VOIP service.

Pick up the phone, get a dial-tone from AT&T and dial 911. What could be more simple?

I understand the point you are trying to make, and you have a good setup. But you are the exception, and not the standard.

There are other things to consider. What if the guest panics and starts punching buttons before getting 911 dialed? What if your land-line goes out? The odds may be slim, but what happens if a car accident takes out the remote terminal around the time someone in the house is having a heart attack?

Just something to think about.

OZO
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People have right to make their own choices.
If he doesn't need it, why to force that service on him anyway?
Just something to think about too.
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daveinpoway
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reply to billaustin
I understand that there are all sorts of possible situations, but, in practice, it is probably more likely for the Internet to be down than it is for the AT&T landline to fail. Also, if I were to use GoogleVoice (as has been suggested), I would not have 911 service there, either.


Hal Houston

@optonline.net
said by daveinpoway:

I understand that there are all sorts of possible situations, but, in practice, it is probably more likely for the Internet to be down than it is for the AT&T landline to fail.

QFT.

However, your particular situation is somewhat unusual, as most folks with VoIP (not all, but most) probably are not still paying for a POTS line....

..unless they have a POTS-type line as a requirement of having DSL.


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reply to nitzan
I understand what you are trying to say, the point with this tax is that government has to pay for these 911 systems. So whether you use it on that line or not is really immaterial. It is a tax on all lines classified as telephones to pay for the 911 system. Everyone must pay their fair share as politicians like to say today. Look at the tax on telephones they implemented over 100 years ago. It was to pay for the Spanish-American War. They war and those debts have long been paid, but everyone still has to pay the tax. So it's not about whether you use 911 or not, its about everyone paying the tax.
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Trev
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said by jduffy:

So it's not about whether you use 911 or not, its about everyone paying the tax.

Not quite. The 911 fees that are discussed here are what providers have to pay third parties to get access to the 911 system. Little to none of that money actually goes to funding the PSAP itself.

Some cities have attempted to put a per-line tax on VoIP services to fund the 911 system, and some 911 providers collect this from their customers (ie. VoIP providers), but it's largely ignored and only affects a few end users.
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OZO
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said by Trev:

said by jduffy:

So it's not about whether you use 911 or not, its about everyone paying the tax.

Not quite. The 911 fees that are discussed here are what providers have to pay third parties to get access to the 911 system. Little to none of that money actually goes to funding the PSAP itself.

Right. And they do it for money. It's a profitable business for them and that's why some pitch that you "must" to buy this service and pay for it. I personally count on 911 on my cell phone, not on VoIP provider. Why should I pay for a service, that I'm not going to use?
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JoeSchmoe007
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reply to daveinpoway
I completely understand providers forcing you to have 911. This is really a CYA policy on their behalf. Today someone says "I don't need 911 on this line", tomorrow something happens and that same person sues their service provider for not making sure the line had 911 service. Just a litigious society we live in.

OZO
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said by JoeSchmoe007:

that same person sues their service provider for not making sure the line had 911 service. Just a litigious society we live in.

You can't sue service provider, if you had this option configured not to provide it. Even in the litigious society...
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Trev
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said by OZO:

You can't sue service provider, if you had this option configured not to provide it. Even in the litigious society...

To be more precise, you can sue, but you are unlikely to win. You'd still waste the service provider's time and likely money in the process.
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Hal Houston

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reply to OZO
said by OZO:

It's a profitable business for them and that's why some pitch that you "must" to buy this service and pay for it.

Which type of companies are you referring to?

The companies that help phone companies (VoIP and even POTS) provide 911 service, make money. Companies such as Intrado. That's the business they are in.

By contrast, if you assume that the VoIP providers are making gobs of money from 911, that's not true at least according to the providers such as Voip.MS, CC, F9, and the others. All of them state that they are not making a profit on the service. It's your choice as to if you believe them; for myself I do. And all of them are pretty much in the same price range except for Anveo which either has figured some new solution or is doing it cheap as a loss leader.

said by OZO:

I personally count on 911 on my cell phone, not on VoIP provider.

I like to have more than one solution on hand.

Issues with cellphone 911 can include the fact that even in the best of circumstances, calls are not necessarily relayed to your local PSAP but to a county sheriff, state police, etc.

And all too often, the calls may end up in a totally wrong place because they may be picked up by a cell tower in the neighboring city or county.

Examples:

911 Official: Cell Phone Call Part Of Problem In EMS Delayed Response
»www.wral.com/news/local/story/156052/

Cellphones 'difficult, frustrating' for 911 dispatch
»www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/s···nes.html

So while cellphones are certainly useful as backup for 911, or when on the highway, I would otherwise not be so sanguine as to relying on them for regular 911 use.

OZO
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I like to have more than one solution on hand.

Good for you and I'm 100% behind your right to make that choice. I'm just against the push to leave others without choices, they think they want/need.
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