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technocar2

join:2009-05-29
Brampton, ON
kudos:2
reply to Pesterd

Re: Bell now giving unlimited usage

Well that's a question everyone has to answer when they decide on their internet.

I've decided that's it worth it because I can actually use the 150/10 for the kinds of things I use the net for. Won't work for everyone but at moment there is a ton of value in this plan that TPIA just don't have; for the low end tiers the TPIA definitely have value, not denying that but look the CIK and start for example their higher tiers don't offer the same value as the big boys do ie. Rogers. If the TPIA offers unlimited 150/10 for a decent price I will switch without a doubt but until then I have to stick with rogers.



The Geezer
Premium
join:2004-12-28
43.3Á
reply to Pesterd

Nice for cable users! And as usual those like myself who can't get cable are stuck with wireless (or Satellite - UGH!) and are at the mercy of whatever the ISP decides to charge. Certainly the unlimited plan is unavailable for us as far as I can tell.
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Rogers (Ericcson) Rocket Hub, Apple Intel iMac, OSX 10.6


Samgee

join:2010-08-02
canada
kudos:2

1 recommendation

reply to technocar2

The point of my example was that your methodology was flawed. Just because the higher priced plan has a better price per unit doesn't make it the better deal. There are very very few things a person with a 250/250 connection can do that someone with 28/1 can't do that makes paying for the higher tier unreasonable.

Your math may work, but the question then becomes is it really worth paying over $150 a month for something when you could get a very similar service in terms of usability for $40.

If you need 250/250 then Rogers is without question the better deal (only for now since they are the only ones who can offer that). If you need volume and value over speed, Rogers is the last place you should look.


technocar2

join:2009-05-29
Brampton, ON
kudos:2
reply to yyzlhr

said by yyzlhr:

Not necessarily a fair comparison.

And that's exactly my point; there is no point in comparing discounts plans but if you still want to then you know who is giving the best discount at the moment. Also as far as I can remember there were some new customers who did get the 70% off while some people were rejected, so its not clear cut.

said by Samgee:

So if Rogers offered a plan with 1million up and down for a $100 000 a month, that's the best deal?

Because you couldn't disprove my math, you have to use such a ridiculous example.

When you want to compare unlimited usage plans the ONLY parameter that you can compare is dollar per Mbit, what else can you really compare? The monthly cost means nothing without context!

Samgee

join:2010-08-02
canada
kudos:2
reply to technocar2

said by technocar2:

The numbers are fine, my point is you can't compare discount plans.

I used the highest tier from each provider with unlimited usage factored in and highest widely available discount for each provider and rogers comes on top as always since they have the most generous discount. (for bell I just used their bundle discount, for rogers I used their still available 70% off for two years and for acanac I used $40 price for one year)

You can check all the math of you want but the point is for unlimited usage you can't beat rogers at the moment because for unlimited the only thing that matters is dollar per Mbit and rogers has that covered.

Why do you feel that price per Mbit is all that matters. So if Rogers offered a plan with 1million up and down for a $100 000 a month, that's the best deal?

28/1 for $40 a month is an incredible deal for the current situation in Canada. Your math based on top speed tiers per Mbit is meaningless when Rogers top speed tier costs $226 a month, on top of which you need to add $100 for unlimited. Even with a discount, which doesn't reduce the overage charges, paying $160 a month for internet access is obscene.

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4
reply to technocar2

said by technocar2:

I used the highest tier from each provider with unlimited usage factored in and highest widely available discount for each provider and rogers comes on top as always since they have the most generous discount. (for bell I just used their bundle discount, for rogers I used their still available 70% off for two years and for acanac I used $40 price for one year)

Not necessarily a fair comparison. Bell's bundle discount is available to everyone, and the 70% off at Rogers is only available to existing customers with more than one residential service.

technocar2

join:2009-05-29
Brampton, ON
kudos:2
reply to Samgee

The numbers are fine, my point is you can't compare discount plans.

I used the highest tier from each provider with unlimited usage factored in and highest widely available discount for each provider and rogers comes on top as always since they have the most generous discount. (for bell I just used their bundle discount, for rogers I used their still available 70% off for two years and for acanac I used $40 price for one year)

You can check all the math of you want but the point is for unlimited usage you can't beat rogers at the moment because for unlimited the only thing that matters is dollar per Mbit and rogers has that covered.



elitefx

join:2011-02-14
London, ON
kudos:2
reply to Samgee

said by Samgee:

It looks like you're in London, so there are a few options for you if you really want to stop paying Rogers mark up.

Just waiting on the CRTC decision this week on tariffs and to see Rogers response to Bell's Unlimited packages........

Samgee

join:2010-08-02
canada
kudos:2
reply to elitefx

It looks like you're in London, so there are a few options for you if you really want to stop paying Rogers mark up.



elitefx

join:2011-02-14
London, ON
kudos:2

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reply to Samgee

said by Samgee:

Peak bandwidth (different from download usage) is where the costs are, so under no circumstances should usage based billing (gb over a month) ever be considered. It's absolutely nothing more than a cash grab.

Well, I don't care how they bill it as long as they CHANGE IT. If Rogers can sell 25/2 for $14.00/month wholesale to a TPIA then they can sell it to me for $14.00 + 20% retail.

I'm sick to death of paying a 300% markup from Rogers wholesale rates.

Rogers has a dozen different services. They ALL use the same network. We've been using the network for 60 years and paid for it 1000 times over. The network is a cash cow for Rogers.

Now I want to reap the rewards of using a network that's BOUGHT AND PAID FOR and earning Rogers millions daily.

If "network payments" earned "air miles" my household would fly for free forever.

Samgee

join:2010-08-02
canada
kudos:2
reply to elitefx

said by elitefx:

said by 34764170:

But that's not what really matters. It's the total cost of service and Rogers has by far the most expensive service.

Like I've said before, let's adopt true usage based billing. I'm sick of paying for 80GB of usage when I'm only using 20GB per month. Charge me for the 25/2 then charge me for exactly what bandwidth I use.

The consumer will decide who has the best bang for the buck.

Network costs are not based on how much you use over the month, it's how much you use at peak time. If you download those 20gb overnight or during the day you don't cost the provider anything. If you download those 20gb at peak time, you are contributing to their network costs. In fact, you downloading that small amount at peak time costs them more than someone who downloads 2tb only during off peak times.

Peak bandwidth (different from download usage) is where the costs are, so under no circumstances should usage based billing (gb over a month) ever be considered. It's absolutely nothing more than a cash grab.

Samgee

join:2010-08-02
canada
kudos:2

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reply to technocar2

said by technocar2:

It doesn't matter what the difference or technicalities of it are; you just can't use Acanac's $40 plan for comparison. Its a 1 year term discount, its not the upfront price, just like you can't use rogers 70% off discount or any other discounts for comparison.

Because if you were to compare discounted plans then rogers has cheapest unlimited plans in terms of dollars per megabit.

Acanac = $1.42 per Mbit
Bell = $1.86 per Mbit
Rogers = $0.92 per Mbit

You see there is no point in comparing discounted plans because they are discounted and are not the up front price. Acanac's $40 "might" be good, but rogers' is better!

How are you calculating those numbers?

The lower Acanac price is not a similar discount to Rogers, so you can't compare the two. When I pay for my next year up front, that's it. I didn't have to buy another product and I don't have to stay a customer with them. I just pay the rate and have unlimited 28/1 internet for the year. If you can't afford that price upfront that is about the only negative to this deal.

Over my 2+ years I've paid less than $40 a month for my connection (this includes installation and modem costs, reduced by my referrals). Prior to that with Rogers for the same tier (of course speeds have increased since) I was paying over twice that (including the $25, now $100, to get unlimited). Again, show your math, we may be able to find where you're going wrong and help you understand where the true deals are.


TOPDAWG
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON
kudos:3
reply to J E F F

yeah 1.99 for my number 2 bucks for e911 and like 2 dollars a month for talking. I hate talking on the phone.


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to elitefx

said by elitefx:

Like I've said before, let's adopt true usage based billing. I'm sick of paying for 80GB of usage when I'm only using 20GB per month. Charge me for the 25/2 then charge me for exactly what bandwidth I use.

The consumer will decide who has the best bang for the buck.

Sure as long as everyone gets the option of not using such a broken model.


elitefx

join:2011-02-14
London, ON
kudos:2
reply to technocar2

said by technocar2:

You see there is no point in comparing discounted plans because they are discounted and are not the up front price. Acanac's $40 "might" be good, but rogers' is better!

Thing is, all the ISPs are robbing us blind. History teaches us that the longer tech is out the cheaper it gets. We SHOULD be seeing a 5 or 10% DECREASE in our monthly bills yearly NOT the thieving increases ISPs inflict on us now.


elitefx

join:2011-02-14
London, ON
kudos:2
reply to 34764170

said by 34764170:

But that's not what really matters. It's the total cost of service and Rogers has by far the most expensive service.

Like I've said before, let's adopt true usage based billing. I'm sick of paying for 80GB of usage when I'm only using 20GB per month. Charge me for the 25/2 then charge me for exactly what bandwidth I use.

The consumer will decide who has the best bang for the buck.


elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
Premium
join:2006-08-30
Somewhere in
kudos:2
reply to technocar2

I've been paying this for the last 5yrs, it's not a "1 year deal". Grandfathered? Maybe


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to technocar2

said by technocar2:

Because if you were to compare discounted plans then rogers has cheapest unlimited plans in terms of dollars per megabit.

Acanac = $1.42 per Mbit
Bell = $1.86 per Mbit
Rogers = $0.92 per Mbit

You see there is no point in comparing discounted plans because they are discounted and are not the up front price. Acanac's $40 "might" be good, but rogers' is better!

But that's not what really matters. It's the total cost of service and Rogers has by far the most expensive service.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to CFoo

said by CFoo:

I'm sure Bell will increase their price in the near future as well. Can't see why Bell would opt out losing overages.

That or lose customers..

technocar2

join:2009-05-29
Brampton, ON
kudos:2
reply to Samgee

said by Samgee:

said by technocar2:

Where are you getting 28/1 for $40? No TPIA offers unlimited 28/1 for $40! Acanac's $39.95 doesn't count because its a 1 year term discount and Robellus also gives generous discount on 1-3 year terms.

The difference is, Acanac's 1 year term is not a locked in contract. You can leave at any time and get a refund for the remaining balance (monthly fee is then based on how long you were a customer). Plus Acanac is unlimited, includes a free VPN and a great referral program (1 referral = 1 free month, 10 = free service as long as you're a customer).

It doesn't matter what the difference or technicalities of it are; you just can't use Acanac's $40 plan for comparison. Its a 1 year term discount, its not the upfront price, just like you can't use rogers 70% off discount or any other discounts for comparison.

Because if you were to compare discounted plans then rogers has cheapest unlimited plans in terms of dollars per megabit.

Acanac = $1.42 per Mbit
Bell = $1.86 per Mbit
Rogers = $0.92 per Mbit

You see there is no point in comparing discounted plans because they are discounted and are not the up front price. Acanac's $40 "might" be good, but rogers' is better!


J E F F
Whatta Ya Think About Dat?
Premium
join:2004-04-01
Kitchener, ON
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Rogers Portable ..
reply to TOPDAWG

said by TOPDAWG:

then dump cable move to a voip phone I pay like 6 bucks a month for my phone I load it up with 25 bucks every few months and use the internet for all your entertainment.

Is that VoIP.MS or some other provider?

I'm using VoIP.ms for call forwarding (long distance)...save a lot of the cell plan. 99 cents per month plus 1 cent per minute VS 20 cents per minute /w Rogers....
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If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. - Albert Einstein

Samgee

join:2010-08-02
canada
kudos:2
reply to technocar2

said by technocar2:

Where are you getting 28/1 for $40? No TPIA offers unlimited 28/1 for $40! Acanac's $39.95 doesn't count because its a 1 year term discount and Robellus also gives generous discount on 1-3 year terms.

The difference is, Acanac's 1 year term is not a locked in contract. You can leave at any time and get a refund for the remaining balance (monthly fee is then based on how long you were a customer). Plus Acanac is unlimited, includes a free VPN and a great referral program (1 referral = 1 free month, 10 = free service as long as you're a customer).

technocar2

join:2009-05-29
Brampton, ON
kudos:2
reply to elwoodblues

said by elwoodblues:

Are they on crack? They want me to pay over 90 bucks a month for Fibe 25 for unlimited,when I can (for example) get it for $78 from Teksavvy (which IMO is still WAY to pricing). I have unlimited 28/1 for $40.

Teksavvy also has dry loop fees; TSI ends up being more expensive then bell for most of the band rates for 25/10 unlimited. Also TSI has huge start up cost ($100 I think) while bell has nothing (they are waiving all fees).

Where are you getting 28/1 for $40? No TPIA offers unlimited 28/1 for $40! Acanac's $39.95 doesn't count because its a 1 year term discount and Robellus also gives generous discount on 1-3 year terms.

nitric

join:2012-01-29

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reply to elitefx

said by elitefx:

What a joke. Bell 25/10= $57.95 base price + $30.00 unlimited= $87.95 + 13% tax= $99.38/month.

Sell the house. Sell the car. Put your kids into foster care and GIVE ALL YOUR MONEY TO YOUR LOCAL ISP.

This is Bell trying to get their own customers back. Those who have TV/Phone but no internet with them. They know they won't win over people who just want internet service.

Teksavvy offers 28/1 for $61.25.

Bell is offering 25/10 for $67.95 to those with phone/TV and $77.95 for those with one service. If I had two Bell services I would gladly pay $67.95 for 10x the upload speed, one service.. probably not.

I do currently have three services with Rogers (cell, tv, phone) and if they introduced a plan with similar speeds, pricing and unlimited I would without a doubt switch to them.

HeadSpinning
MNSi Internet

join:2005-05-29
Windsor, ON
kudos:5
reply to elitefx

said by elitefx:

What a joke. Bell 25/10= $57.95 base price + $30.00 unlimited= $87.95 + 13% tax= $99.38/month.

Sell the house. Sell the car. Put your kids into foster care and GIVE ALL YOUR MONEY TO YOUR LOCAL ISP.

Not so much of a joke if you buy home phone and TV with it - then the price is only $10.00 for unlimited.
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TOPDAWG
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON
kudos:3
reply to elitefx

then dump cable move to a voip phone I pay like 6 bucks a month for my phone I load it up with 25 bucks every few months and use the internet for all your entertainment.



elitefx

join:2011-02-14
London, ON
kudos:2
reply to TOPDAWG

What a joke. Bell 25/10= $57.95 base price + $30.00 unlimited= $87.95 + 13% tax= $99.38/month.

Sell the house. Sell the car. Put your kids into foster care and GIVE ALL YOUR MONEY TO YOUR LOCAL ISP.



TOPDAWG
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON
kudos:3
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL
reply to elitefx

well I don't see rogers making their serve worse but I do see them just saying well so many people can't get DSL they can't switch so we'll just do our own thing. I don't see many none heavy users switching over this to have any effect on rogers.

hm maybe I should call rogers just to bring up this plan so they know people want it.



elitefx

join:2011-02-14
London, ON
kudos:2

1 edit
reply to TOPDAWG

Knowing Rogers, they'll lower the caps (Extreme 40GB cap etc) on all the plans and then charge an extra $60 for the unlimited option on top off their already sky high rates per tier.

If there's any way Rogers can twist this into another price hike 30 days after their LAST price hike they'll do it pronto.

The only customers that will benefit from the unlimited is the probably 1 or 2% that go over each month. For the other 98% it'll be just more pain and suffering subsidizing the DL addicts.



TOPDAWG
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON
kudos:3
reply to Pesterd

god I hope rogers does this shit. while some folks say move to a 3rd party I can't no unlimited cable is in my area and dsl is only forking 3 down in this part of town.