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AVD
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reply to carpetshark3

Re: Yes, that PC cleanup app you saw on TV at 3 a.m...

said by carpetshark3:

This goes on in prime time, too. Drug ads.
They speed read the disclaimer and it's legal.

but at least for a drug

1) it is prescribed by a medical professional
2) it is dispensed by a pharmacist
3) usually they refer you to a website or magazine advertisement that has all the disclaimers if not in a little fine print.

(pharmaceuticals don't want lawsuits, they can't change their name and come back tomorrow that easily.
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carpetshark3
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reply to antdude
An ad agency will accept this ad. Then they pay brokers to place it. (usually using demographics)
If a program needs revenue to keep it on the air, they will accept the fee they get to air it. CNN must be getting very needy in the late night. If the wording is legal, the ad will usually be accepted with the disclaimer.

What you might need to do, is get a law to make the disclaimers run slower and in larger letters. This goes on in prime time, too. Drug ads.
They speed read the disclaimer and it's legal.

Some agency just got Taco Bell to drop the ad about a vegetable tray being a dud at a party. You need to get after CNN and enough people complain.


Oleg
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reply to Mele20
LOL. I mean Feds

Mele20
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reply to Oleg
said by Oleg:

I am surprised that the fads has not done anything to stop it.

So, our government is now the "fads"?

That is actually rather apt.
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dave
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reply to antdude
Excuse me, I've got to go and buy some Shell gasoline. It has added nitrogen. It'll clean my car engine and make it run better. Be right back!

(Yeah, I actually agree with the original article. But really, Fear of Bad Things happening, coupled with a Technological Miracle Fix, is a pretty common advertising trope).

RTfM2010

join:2010-07-07
reply to Oleg
Won't be stopped until the tax revenue it generates dries up. If and when these and other bogus operators get fined, who collects? The "victims"? Nope. They'd be lucky if they were reimbursed a token amount. There's revenue in them thar shills!


Oleg
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reply to DrStrange
I agree with you %100 on that. I am surprised that the fads has not done anything to stop it.


DrStrange
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reply to antdude
I think it's time the FTC and FBI looked into these scams. The reason it hasn't happened yet is that many of those in charge of the would-be investigations know little more about adware and malware than the end-users who get fleeced. If more IT people would contact them about this [the 'them' to whom I refer comprise the FBI and FTC, the media who advertise this junk, and anyone else in a position to help], then something might be done.

Anyone want to start one of those online petitions? They seem to be the way to get more eyes on a problem these days.

The Antihero

join:2002-04-09
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reply to vaxvms
said by vaxvms:

Tell friends, family, co-workers, neighbors that these ads are snake oil. Offer suggestions and help. If you don't do it these types of bogus ads will keep on coming and threads like this will continue to pop up again and again.

I do just that, and most of my friends and family know to run these things by me or my son before doing anything. But there are a lot of people out there that I'm not in regular contact with who don't know about these things. I was referred by a sister of a friend a few years ago, who had a machine that was so badly infected that I had to resort to wiping the damn thing because when I tried to remove the infections, I lost the internet and couldn't get it back.

One of the many infections was one of those fake virus scanners. When I called her to let her know it was done, she had mentioned the scanner, and told me she had paid for the full version, but didn't think it did anything to help. I just rolled my eyes and told her, "I can't think of a nice way to tell you that you got screwed, so I'm just going to come right out and say you got screwed."


Phoenix22
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reply to vaxvms
said by vaxvms:

All the nurdly posters here know the ad is for crapware.
BUT the general public keeps hearing the dweeb-wannabe's tell them that they should clean their computer. The wannabe's don't know squat and offer no help. Jane and Joe User, (idiots according to 1 poster), see these ads and dig out the credit card.

Posting here saying it's a scam and fraud and such is preaching to the choir and serves no real purpose. Do something to protect the naive. Tell friends, family, co-workers, neighbors that these ads are snake oil. Offer suggestions and help. If you don't do it these types of bogus ads will keep on coming and threads like this will continue to pop up again and again.

computer illiteracy is not just seniors.........itz wide spread........you can not fix stupid........thatz why you should watch your neighbors trash.............so when they throw away a perfectly good system.........you'll be there to snatch it up ahead of waste management and the like
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Phoenix22
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reply to siljaline
said by siljaline:

In other words some form of due dilligence

yes, exactly in a non corp. way


Robotics
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reply to Oleg
lol great video. Felt sorry for the girl. She needs to go out and find a better job.


Oleg
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reply to antdude
Here is a guy calls Finally Slow ops i mean Finally Fast

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV6k88kBAAM


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reply to tttruuuuth
There's always someone not as computer aware/literate that will pay, even for scareware drive-by malware installs. There was someone at work that paid the $50 for the scareware infection they had not once, but twice, to be sure the transaction went through. When I found out I of course advised immediately contacting the bank, and I took the system home and cleaned it. Many people seeing a scareware infection like that would be tempted to close it by clicking on the X in the upper right-hand corner, and even that can lead to an install (instead of closing it with Task Manager).
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tttruuuuth

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reply to goalieskates
Truthful Advertising laws have become a pain to enforce. It is extremely painful when the whargarble freedom of speech whargarble tries to defer the lies as being the truth to some peoples.

Look at some ads. They get played for a couple of days with millions of views before being taken down. But without massive fines and then forcing an highly visible advertised apology for the lie, then you can lie your ass off in ads always.

*Does the product do what they say in the commercial? Sure, but only if you analyze it word for word.

*'Fee diagnosis'*. Is what its diagnosing actually bad? The satisfied customers claims are questionable for truth since they don't mention having to pay for a fix, speed up, along with saying that 'other programs' couldn't do anything.


Since Government allows companies to advertise one price, while at the same time having tiny disclaimer print that says that the price advertised is the base price.
In order to get the full capabilities of the product, you need to pay more.
'Product only finds nasties but you have to pay to remove the nasties.'
Internet for $20, but you have to rent the modem and pay a fee for hookup and pay 6 months in advance and service/speeds is never guaranteed.
A contract for two years.

»www.sba.gov/content/advertising-···ting-law

»business.ftc.gov/advertising-and···g-basics
Under the law, claims in advertisements must be truthful, cannot be deceptive or unfair, and must be evidence-based. For some specialized products or services, additional rules may apply.


It should be pointed out that unless the consumers instigates a claim of false advertising, the government doesn't care.
In some cases(against a mega corporation with expensive lawyers) the customer then has to prove with some documentation that the product is a lie as advertised.
ex: Those wrist bands that promised to cure your ails. The companies documentation had very weak science proof behind it and the band was more placebo than 100% science. Science on how the body reacts to the energy of the universe is still a young field of science.

)))
Saint Reagan removed the 'truth in news laws'(aka: foxnews ratings bread and butter). Which lead to the various TV news sources fudging the news in order to get higher ratings than the other newscasts, resulting in less educated people, resulting in massive ratings for honey booboo and people screaming about the guvment.
Even Canadas Republican Prime Minister has been constantly looking at nullifying the law too to allow suntv news to lie in the news, which is outside of their 'lieing commentary morans'. Lieing commentary is not violating the lie laws, since it is not news, even though its a regular daily program with the same host on the news channel and talking about the news while adding hearsay and quoting rightwing extremists.


sbconslt

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reply to vaxvms
Click for full size
Ordinary people do seem to have an inkling. Consider this ^^^

If you want to help people not get ensnared you want to have everything we've pounded the table about here rank highly in those search results.


vaxvms
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reply to antdude
All the nurdly posters here know the ad is for crapware.
BUT the general public keeps hearing the dweeb-wannabe's tell them that they should clean their computer. The wannabe's don't know squat and offer no help. Jane and Joe User, (idiots according to 1 poster), see these ads and dig out the credit card.

Posting here saying it's a scam and fraud and such is preaching to the choir and serves no real purpose. Do something to protect the naive. Tell friends, family, co-workers, neighbors that these ads are snake oil. Offer suggestions and help. If you don't do it these types of bogus ads will keep on coming and threads like this will continue to pop up again and again.
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siljaline
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reply to Phoenix22
In other words some form of due dilligence


goalieskates
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reply to newview
said by newview:

... and the television networks who allow these lies to be disseminated should be prosecuted for fraud right along with the perpetrators of the fraud.

I'd vote for that. It's false advertising, and they're benefiting from it.

So when exactly did the Feds decide to stop enforcing truth in advertising laws? Or decide to let networks get away with things on cable channels they don't allow on the regular ones?

I smell lobbyists at work here ...


antdude
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reply to dbarber
said by dbarber:

If these guys can afford to keep advertising on TV, there must be SOMEBODY out there responding to these ads. If they weren't making money, they wouldn't continue to run ads.
I guess we just have to accept P.T.Barnum's saying that "There's a sucker born every minute." I don't see how we can educate all of the ignorant (read unlearned) people.

Oh well

Like spams on the Internet.
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dbarber

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reply to antdude
If these guys can afford to keep advertising on TV, there must be SOMEBODY out there responding to these ads. If they weren't making money, they wouldn't continue to run ads.
I guess we just have to accept P.T.Barnum's saying that "There's a sucker born every minute." I don't see how we can educate all of the ignorant (read unlearned) people.

Oh well
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sbconslt

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reply to newview
Well, no, they wouldn't meet the criteria, strictly.


newview
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reply to sbconslt
said by sbconslt:

It's worse than just that the software does what can be done for free. It's fraud, the capital F kind. It should anger you greatly that it goes on unchecked.

... and the television networks who allow these lies to be disseminated should be prosecuted for fraud right along with the perpetrators of the fraud.


Phoenix22
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reply to siljaline
said by siljaline:

You're right ! Unfortunately, unless parties launch a suit or something or the Network(s) decide to pull the ads - they will stay where they are.

As always, buyer beware - just because it's on CNN doesn't mean it's not a hook.

as a rule of thumb.................never impulse buy anything on t.v.
do all your homework..........and research....it'll pay off big time

one other thing may occur if your buying from the expert t.v. guy
or girl.......happens to the tune of billions$ per year.....w/c cards
see this thread:

»VISA Account Updater
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siljaline
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reply to carpetshark3
You're right ! Unfortunately, unless parties launch a suit or something or the Network(s) decide to pull the ads - they will stay where they are.

As always, buyer beware - just because it's on CNN doesn't mean it's not a hook.
Expand your moderator at work


Robotics
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reply to antdude

Re: Yes, that PC cleanup app you saw on TV at 3 a.m...

I cant remember the name of the company (but the ad is still running out here in Va.) but it claims the same thing being talked about here, and near the end of the commercial they show the guy clicking to get the job done (repair all the unwanted junk) and you see an email address there that I guess the info on the junk gets mailed to (?),and it is pc-pitstop. 0.O

I remember years ago pc-pitstop was a decent place to go to...guess they have fallen on hard times.

UPDATE: just went to their site...its PC Matic. Wow has that site changed (for the worse)
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reply to siljaline
I agree that it's crap -
but according to marketing, it's probably legal. If they pay for the spot, someone will place the ad somewhere. You notice that it's at real off hours as drive time and prime time are expensive.

I complained as our business accepted ads from that damn name a star registry. Those ads are phony, but not illegal as it's their OWN registry. They never said the names would be recognized by any official naming registry like the IAU.


siljaline
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reply to antdude
Every time I see the ad on CNN, I shake my head in disgust as it's well known this stuff is flat-out foistware.

All we could possibly hope for is enough disgusted users to call CNN HQ and say hey ... get this "expletive" of the air.


antdude
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reply to siljaline
said by siljaline:

The ad for that crapware app still airs on CNN and other large US TV networks.
The link goes into my custom Hosts file that get's installed on every PC I service. Thanks for the awareness on this one.

Hopefully, they get thrown off soon! I doubt it.
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