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wolfcreek

join:2003-12-02
Pagosa Springs, CO

Anyone out there using Firetide, Strix, or Mesh Dynamics?

Looking for some real world feedback on Firetide, Strix, and Mesh Dynamics systems. I understand all of the issues with mesh but looking at them for a Public Safety system we are bidding on with a combination of WIMAX 4.9 PtMP and mesh system as a fill in for certain areas.
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John Galt
Forward, March
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Happy Camp
kudos:8

1 recommendation

There is nothing inherently wrong with mesh, provided it is deployed with two or more radios for the backhaul.

Based on real-world tests, the deployment density needs to be high. The usual operational density in deployments so far is ~150 unit per square mile. The Strix units are about $3,300 each so that translates into $450K per square mile, plus OPEX.

Tempe, AZ allowed a Strix installation...which subsequently failed (although not because of the Strix gear, per se). Operational costs far exceeded the estimates. What caught my eye was this:

quote:
Tempe asked the jury to award rent at the rate of $450 per pole per month or $300,000 per month for the six month period that CCC was actively trying to sell the Wi-Fi equipment installed on Tempe's poles. The jury verdict awarded Tempe 100 percent of the rent requested in addition to ownership of the system.
Ouch...!

Mesh may or may not be the best choice. There are other alternatives to ubiquitous wifi if the operational intent and requirements allow it.
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cmaengdewd

@64.253.179.x
reply to wolfcreek
said by wolfcreek:

Looking for some real world feedback on Firetide, Strix, and Mesh Dynamics systems. I understand all of the issues with mesh but looking at them for a Public Safety system we are bidding on with a combination of WIMAX 4.9 PtMP and mesh system as a fill in for certain areas.

We've been using Firetide for citywide as well as smaller deployments.

The 3x3 MIMO offer better speed potential than the typical 2x2. The outdoor hardware is pretty beefy as well.

That said, trying to get a technical solution out of them for a complex system is a nightmare unless you simply want to pay for them to design and configure everything for you.


John Galt
Forward, March
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join:2004-09-30
Happy Camp
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Hi Mark.

What is the unit cost per deployed radio?


cmengdewd

@64.253.179.x
said by John Galt:

Hi Mark.

What is the unit cost per deployed radio?

Depends. With Firetide you have to pay extra for the 2nd radio and MIMO so when building a true mesh with outdoor radios you're looking at around $5000k list, not including the management software licenses which are required to install, commission and manage the network.

Expect to see from 25-35% off list for the typical sized project.

Chele

join:2003-07-23
kudos:1
What cmaengdewd said is very true. Don't expect much tech support from them, not because they won't help you but because they don't seem to have too many people that know their own product:( On one occasion we had to do a demo with them and it was sad to see how they struggled to get anything going.

rconaway8

join:2005-11-10
Phoenix, AZ
reply to John Galt
We walked from that project when the city wanted several thousand free passwords and 1-2 hours of free use per day for users. They also wanted us to pay for pole use per month but it was less than $20. Apparently the companies that signed contracts with them hadn't figured out how to use a spreadsheet.