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funny

join:2010-12-22
reply to Guspaz

Re: Bell Unlimited Promotion

said by Guspaz:

said by camelot:

No, but the $10 in a bundle will. What does a "bundle" have to do with the capacity rates they claim are expensive. How does bundling with other services somehow lower capacity rates for them?

Have you actually looked at Bell's prices? Compare Bell unlimited with $10 for that and TekSavvy unlimited (using QC pricing):

TekSavvy: $77.99/mth
Bell: $71.95/mth + $10/mth unlimited = $81.95/mth

TekSavvy is still cheaper. Even with the $4/mth bundle discount, Bell is only matching TSI's price.

i pay with taxes for 5 megabit er 6 er whatever about 60$ with taxes


Mike2009

join:2009-01-13
Ottawa, ON
kudos:3

You're overpaying. Time to move on.


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

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reply to funny

said by funny:

your smoking crack again, wholesale shouldn't in fact be EVER cheaper then anything retail....

Bell can chose to sell services at retail at a loss but under normal conditions wholesale should pretty much always be cheaper than retail.


tristen1230

join:2010-12-26
Belleville, ON
reply to londoner1

Anything related to Bell. I would never go with them.


InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to 34764170

said by 34764170:

Bell can chose to sell services at retail at a loss but under normal conditions wholesale should pretty much always be cheaper than retail.

In principle, incumbents do have the opportunity to optimize their network to their own needs and subscriber usage patterns, which should grant them a considerable cost saving advantage over wholesale if they decided to fully leverage it.

So I would not be so quick to conclude that wholesale end-users cost incumbents less (infrastructure-wise) than retail subscribers. After all, accommodating wholesale services does require extra equipment and network configurations that incumbents would not otherwise need for themselves.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

said by InvalidError:

In principle, incumbents do have the opportunity to optimize their network to their own needs and subscriber usage patterns, which should grant them a considerable cost saving advantage over wholesale if they decided to fully leverage it.

So I would not be so quick to conclude that wholesale end-users cost incumbents less (infrastructure-wise) than retail subscribers. After all, accommodating wholesale services does require extra equipment and network configurations that incumbents would not otherwise need for themselves.

In theory they could do a lot of things but they do not. The IISPs also have an advantage of not having such large companies with massive overhead that has to be taken into consideration with pricing of the products.

I never said they cost the incumbents less. Wow, for real? It requires extra equipment to service wholesale customers? Like that isn't painfully obvious. This is the business they are in as a telecommunications carrier.


mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5
reply to funny

said by funny:

your smoking crack again, wholesale shouldn't in fact be EVER cheaper then anything retail....in any market if it is your in trouble in that business.
now go back and read what your trying to justify that a wholesale price SHOULD be higher then a retail one.
HEHE people aren't stupid

You're reading too much in my words. I never defined the price of wholesale. I only said as per the CRTC rules, if there's a retail DSL plan, that plan is supposed to also be offered on wholesale, price will differ but the CRTC sets the costing and markups on that.

InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to 34764170

said by 34764170:

The IISPs also have an advantage of not having such large companies with massive overhead that has to be taken into consideration with pricing of the products.

You can have small companies with disproportionate overheads and large companies with smaller (proportionally) overheads too. It has a lot more to do with management and corporate culture than the company's size.

On the other hand, a small company cannot avoid losing out on economies of scale and efficiency gain opportunities. Things like internal tools, processes and procedures R&D are almost flat regardless of company size so they are much more easily absorbed by larger organizations and those get a lot more value out of them too.

If you mean overheads like work unions, TSI could get hit by one of those too if their employees start feeling like they deserve more than what TSI is willing to give them. I don't know about Ontario's labor code but last time I heard/read about it in QC, employers with more than 50 full-time employees cannot object to employees voting to unionize.

docbill

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Stoney Creek, ON
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reply to TSI Jon

OK. Lets try a more far comparison.

TSI DSL

Download/Upload Gig Cap Base Price Modem Rental Dry Loop Install
A. 25M/10M 300 GB $52.99 $8 ~ $10 $95
B. 25M/10M none $77.99 $8 ~ $10 $95

Lets amortize the install cost over 12 months. As that seems like a reasonable time frame before there is need for a service call or something else that adds another one time charge...

So that makes the TekSavvy totals:
A. $78.91/month + HST for 300 GB,
B. $103.91 + HST for unlimited

Bell Canada

Download/Upload Gig Cap Base Price Modem Rental Dry Loop Install
C. 25M/10M 100 GB $57.95 $0 $0 -$108 *1
D. 25M/10M 100 GB $57.95 $0 $0 $0 *2
E. 25M/10M none $67.95 $0 $0 -$108 *3
F. 25M/10M none $87.95 $0 $0 -$108 *1
G. 25M/10M none $87.95 $0 $0 $0 *2

*1 - With bundle
*2 - Without bundle
*3 - With triple bundle

The -$108 install fee is the way I'm listing the first 6 month discount. Again let amortize over 12 months for the totals:

C. $48.95/month + HST for 100 GB
D. $57.95/month + HST for 100 GB
E. $58.95/month + HST for unlimited
F. $78.95/month + HST for unlimited
G. $87.95/month + HST for unlimited

The other thing to keep in mind is Bell Canada will give you discounts on your other services as well if you have them bundled. So it looks like no matter how you crunch the numbers, it is cheaper to go with Bell Canada.

Of course I don't know if they do free installs, maybe that was a limited time promotion. The express install fee is about $75, and maybe that would apply in non-express cases. If so, bump my estimates by $6.25 a month to:

C. $55.20/month + HST for 100 GB
D. $64.20/month + HST for 100 GB
E. $65.20/month + HST for unlimited
F. $85.20/month + HST for unlimited
G. $94.20/month + HST for unlimited

The big disadvantage with going with Bell is they tend to be very unreliable when it comes to billing. In the past 12 months, only 3 months have I not needed to call them to correct some billing mistake...