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Guspaz
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reply to camelot

Re: Bell Unlimited Promotion

said by camelot:

No, but the $10 in a bundle will. What does a "bundle" have to do with the capacity rates they claim are expensive. How does bundling with other services somehow lower capacity rates for them?

Have you actually looked at Bell's prices? Compare Bell unlimited with $10 for that and TekSavvy unlimited (using QC pricing):

TekSavvy: $77.99/mth
Bell: $71.95/mth + $10/mth unlimited = $81.95/mth

TekSavvy is still cheaper. Even with the $4/mth bundle discount, Bell is only matching TSI's price.
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HiVolt
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said by Guspaz:

Have you actually looked at Bell's prices? Compare Bell unlimited with $10 for that and TekSavvy unlimited (using QC pricing):

TekSavvy: $77.99/mth
Bell: $71.95/mth + $10/mth unlimited = $81.95/mth

TekSavvy is still cheaper. Even with the $4/mth bundle discount, Bell is only matching TSI's price.

Except TekSavvy can't provide reliable 25mbps connection in peak hours, but Bell can.

And if you need a dryloop, there's another way wholesale gets screwed.
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InvalidError

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said by HiVolt:

And if you need a dryloop, there's another way wholesale gets screwed.

If you need dry loop then you only have one Bell service and aren't eligible for the $20+ worth of discounts that were required to match TSI's price, so TSI should still be cheaper for dry even if Bell does not charge for it.

camelot

join:2008-04-12
Whitby, ON
reply to Guspaz

I'm not questioning final pricing; I'm questioning their conflicting arguments behind it.

It seems they are able to justify higher per-GB charges for wholesale, but the same costing reasons don't apply for their own customers.


bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
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reply to InvalidError

said by InvalidError:

said by HiVolt:

And if you need a dryloop, there's another way wholesale gets screwed.

If you need dry loop then you only have one Bell service

Internet/TV/Mobility


ChuckcZar

@teksavvy.com
reply to HiVolt

Same hold true for 25/10 in cities such as Ottawa. Bell can't provide true 25/10 in most areas of Ottawa.


Dufus

join:2010-10-20
Scarborough, ON
reply to HiVolt

said by HiVolt:

said by Guspaz:

Have you actually looked at Bell's prices? Compare Bell unlimited with $10 for that and TekSavvy unlimited (using QC pricing):

TekSavvy: $77.99/mth
Bell: $71.95/mth + $10/mth unlimited = $81.95/mth

TekSavvy is still cheaper. Even with the $4/mth bundle discount, Bell is only matching TSI's price.

Except TekSavvy can't provide reliable 25mbps connection in peak hours, but Bell can.

And if you need a dryloop, there's another way wholesale gets screwed.

Don't forget about the modem rental!


Davesnothere
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reply to InvalidError

said by InvalidError:

said by HiVolt:

And if you need a dryloop, there's another way wholesale gets screwed.

If you need dry loop then you only have one Bell service and aren't eligible for the $20+ worth of discounts that were required to match TSI's price, so TSI should still be cheaper for dry even if Bell does not charge for it.

 
Good catch, IE !

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said by ChuckcZar :

Same holds true for 25/10 in cities such as Ottawa.

Bell can't provide true 25/10 in most areas of Ottawa.

 
Heck, BH#$ELL cannot even do 15/1 in Brockville, a city of 30K-ish (try 6M/800K if lucky), and not much better in the larger city of Kingston.

GOUGEco cable BLOWS Bell away in THOSE places !

bt

join:2009-02-26
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reply to Davesnothere

said by Davesnothere:

said by InvalidError:

said by HiVolt:

And if you need a dryloop, there's another way wholesale gets screwed.

If you need dry loop then you only have one Bell service and aren't eligible for the $20+ worth of discounts that were required to match TSI's price, so TSI should still be cheaper for dry even if Bell does not charge for it.

 
Good catch, IE !

...except he's wrong.

InvalidError

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said by bt:

...except he's wrong.

How many people on wholesale DSL will choose Bell for mobile and sign up for FibeTV? The impression I get from being around here for a few years tells me not many.

Sure, that isn't exactly zero but it is close enough in my book.


HiVolt
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said by InvalidError:

How many people on wholesale DSL will choose Bell for mobile and sign up for FibeTV? The impression I get from being around here for a few years tells me not many.

Sure, that isn't exactly zero but it is close enough in my book.

You can't get FibeTV standalone without internet... at least not officially, as there have been some posts in the past about some being able to get a discounted price without Internet.
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InvalidError

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said by HiVolt:

You can't get FibeTV standalone without internet... at least not officially, as there have been some posts in the past about some being able to get a discounted price without Internet.

That option (that sales reps will try to avoid talking about) is called the "0GB plan", just need to wipe the Internet login to avoid accidental usage.


TSI Andre
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We are building a pricing comparison right now. I will post it in a couple of minutes.

Cheers,

Andre



corster
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Gatineau, QC
reply to HiVolt

said by HiVolt:

said by InvalidError:

How many people on wholesale DSL will choose Bell for mobile and sign up for FibeTV? The impression I get from being around here for a few years tells me not many.

Sure, that isn't exactly zero but it is close enough in my book.

You can't get FibeTV standalone without internet... at least not officially, as there have been some posts in the past about some being able to get a discounted price without Internet.

You're all forgetting that Bell also offers satellite (ExpressVu) - no internet required for that, and I know many people that subscribe to it without any other Bell services.


TSI Jon
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reply to TSI Andre

Click for full size
Here is the comparison graph Andre said we would be posting.
Graph

LastDon

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I really don't understand how bell can get away with such advertising..

3 bundle services to get such an advertised rate..

Its like they are forcing their services on you if you are their customer just to get the 10 dollar rate.

so sneaky their advertising.

and all these companies with their bundling bs is so stupid.



TigerLord
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reply to HiVolt

said by HiVolt:

...

So hockey is back and THIS is your avatar?


Guspaz
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reply to TSI Jon

said by TSI Jon:

Here is the comparison graph Andre said we would be posting.

Your calculations are incorrect in that the bundled pricing doesn't take the bundle discount into account, and those are specifically the Ontario pricing, since the price is different (much higher) in Quebec.
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HiVolt
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And is the forced modem rental included?
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reply to TigerLord

said by TigerLord:

said by HiVolt:

...

So hockey is back and THIS is your avatar?

Yep!
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noemails

@bell.ca
reply to Dufus

trust one thing...bell is not losing on this...they will snag a pile of tek clients...i d say 100 thousand....and teks investment into trying to keep up with the slowdowns is wasted moneyyou should have sold magma did it right selling out to primus....teksavvy is done



mistr

@rogers.com
reply to HiVolt

You happened to forget mandatory modem fee of $8.and you left out the dry loop fee for those that don't have phone line which is another $9 minimum.


jkstraw

join:2012-10-12
Stittsville, ON
reply to TSI Jon

I just got off the phone with Bell - I have 2 existing services (Sat. TV and Phone). Here was the offer:

25/10 pkg + unlimited ($10/mo) + Free modem + no install/setup fee. No contract no other fees.

$50/mo before taxes. How do I turn that down??



mlerner
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Nepean, ON
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said by jkstraw:

I just got off the phone with Bell - I have 2 existing services (Sat. TV and Phone). Here was the offer:

25/10 pkg + unlimited ($10/mo) + Free modem + no install/setup fee. No contract no other fees.

$50/mo before taxes. How do I turn that down??

Just watch your bills. They can withdraw the offer at any time.


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reply to jkstraw

said by jkstraw:

I just got off the phone with Bell - I have 2 existing services (Sat. TV and Phone). Here was the offer:

25/10 pkg + unlimited ($10/mo) + Free modem + no install/setup fee. No contract no other fees.

$50/mo before taxes. How do I turn that down??

well now you have ask what happens when you decide to ditch their overpriced TV for vpn plus netflix/ota/hulu
While you are not under contract you remain commited to the bundle price. if you were really serious to cut cost then review all services. you would stay with tek for internet and do something different about TV and phone

BoogaBooga

join:2004-06-12
Canada
reply to mlerner

Correct me if I am wrong, but these packages are not on a contract. Are they?

If not, you can just leave if they start increasing the price (and with 3 Bell services, I doubt they will let you leave so easily)


funny

join:2010-12-22
reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

said by camelot:

No, but the $10 in a bundle will. What does a "bundle" have to do with the capacity rates they claim are expensive. How does bundling with other services somehow lower capacity rates for them?

Have you actually looked at Bell's prices? Compare Bell unlimited with $10 for that and TekSavvy unlimited (using QC pricing):

TekSavvy: $77.99/mth
Bell: $71.95/mth + $10/mth unlimited = $81.95/mth

TekSavvy is still cheaper. Even with the $4/mth bundle discount, Bell is only matching TSI's price.

i pay with taxes for 5 megabit er 6 er whatever about 60$ with taxes


Mike2009

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Ottawa, ON
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You're overpaying. Time to move on.


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reply to TSI Jon

OK. Lets try a more far comparison.

TSI DSL

Download/Upload Gig Cap Base Price Modem Rental Dry Loop Install
A. 25M/10M 300 GB $52.99 $8 ~ $10 $95
B. 25M/10M none $77.99 $8 ~ $10 $95

Lets amortize the install cost over 12 months. As that seems like a reasonable time frame before there is need for a service call or something else that adds another one time charge...

So that makes the TekSavvy totals:
A. $78.91/month + HST for 300 GB,
B. $103.91 + HST for unlimited

Bell Canada

Download/Upload Gig Cap Base Price Modem Rental Dry Loop Install
C. 25M/10M 100 GB $57.95 $0 $0 -$108 *1
D. 25M/10M 100 GB $57.95 $0 $0 $0 *2
E. 25M/10M none $67.95 $0 $0 -$108 *3
F. 25M/10M none $87.95 $0 $0 -$108 *1
G. 25M/10M none $87.95 $0 $0 $0 *2

*1 - With bundle
*2 - Without bundle
*3 - With triple bundle

The -$108 install fee is the way I'm listing the first 6 month discount. Again let amortize over 12 months for the totals:

C. $48.95/month + HST for 100 GB
D. $57.95/month + HST for 100 GB
E. $58.95/month + HST for unlimited
F. $78.95/month + HST for unlimited
G. $87.95/month + HST for unlimited

The other thing to keep in mind is Bell Canada will give you discounts on your other services as well if you have them bundled. So it looks like no matter how you crunch the numbers, it is cheaper to go with Bell Canada.

Of course I don't know if they do free installs, maybe that was a limited time promotion. The express install fee is about $75, and maybe that would apply in non-express cases. If so, bump my estimates by $6.25 a month to:

C. $55.20/month + HST for 100 GB
D. $64.20/month + HST for 100 GB
E. $65.20/month + HST for unlimited
F. $85.20/month + HST for unlimited
G. $94.20/month + HST for unlimited

The big disadvantage with going with Bell is they tend to be very unreliable when it comes to billing. In the past 12 months, only 3 months have I not needed to call them to correct some billing mistake...