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Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Sun, 10 Feb 2013 10:49:52 EDT

Octavean posted : I think I have a number of PDF docs that won't show up under Settings > General but still take up a fair amount of space on my iPad 3 WiFi. It only has about 1GB free and I usually have to free space to do an iOS upgrade.

If I were to upgrade to the 4th gen iPad I would likely go for the 32GB model.

I think that's kind of the point behind the 128GB model in that not everyone uses the iPad in the same way and people do have different needs.

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Sun, 10 Feb 2013 10:34:06 EDT

Majestik posted : The 32 gig is enough for me on my grandfathered unlimited iPad 4 LTE. I stream everything and don't have any songs.

My iPad 3 wifi has 64 gigs. I use this in the home and traveling out of the country. I would store a couple of rented HDTV movies,a few video podcast,and pictures. I find that there is so much high speed Internet everywhere I travel I'm still streaming Netflix,Slingplayer,etc. in places like DFW,MIA,Admirals Club,Hong Kong,trains,or Gale�o Airport in Rio.
I only have few songs in my IPhone.

I'm no where near 128 gig even on my main home computer.
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Sun, 10 Feb 2013 01:50:11 EDT

skeechan posted : Perhaps I wasn't clear. I'm not interested in transcoded crap video. I don't need subsonic to ruin my content. If I wanted overcompressed video, I could run it through a blender myself and turn them 300MB piles of tiled dung.

For music, again, I already have iTunes match, Google music and Amazon, but again, they're no substitute for having the content on the device. I certainly have zero interest in a player that doesn't support my playlists (14K tracks, don't feeling like hunting for stuff), scrob or have the capability of playing protected content.

But even if I loved crappy video or wanted yet another music streaming source that will have me hunting 20 minutes to find a song, I also have no interest in being tied to the Internet for my content as I don't always have access to the Internet.

Cloud services are no substitute for having the content on the device, and certainly no substitute if you care at all about the quality of the content you are watching.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Sat, 09 Feb 2013 19:49:44 EDT

RiseAbove posted :

said by skeechan:

That is all well and good when I am at home home where I have the bandwidth to stream my native 1080P content. But if I am at home, I am not going to use an iPad to watch video content. If I am at my office I am not going to use my iPad to watch video content. And even on the road that is all well and good until you hit your LTE caps and then you are screwed. I rarely find public WiFi fast enough to stream at HD bitrates, even the dumbed down bitrates of services like Netflix. The same goes for hosting it off my own machine, my Cox upload is only 5Mb, not fast enough to stream my HD.

I have iTunes match, Google Music manager and Amazon for music content but I don't want to be tied to the Interwebs for my content. Typical LTE iPad plans wouldn't cover a single one of my movies nevertheless the multiple movies I watch while outside of WiFi. I really don't feel like paying overage fees every time I want to watch a movie or watching highly compressed and thus artifact filled content.

Cloud services are not a substitute for having the content on the device, particularly HD video content.

I think you have some facts wrong. first off on subsonic you can dictate the bandwidth/codec you want to use both for video and music. Plus streaming an mp3 from my home solution eats up very little bandwidth whatsoever both on the upload of your 5mb connection and the download on the other side.

So yes cloud services are a great substitute for not having content on the device if you know what you are doing.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Sat, 09 Feb 2013 16:58:48 EDT

Nezmo posted :

said by skeechan:

Again, same feelings here.

I have a personal cloud (NAS-based). I have access to ALL my music and ALL my movies over this cloud on my phone and tablets or Web browser (for free) but the interface is trashy and flaky at best. And for movies it's rare to find somewhere with the bandwidth for HD and even SD when on 3G. The most likely place I'd want to stream a movie would be in a hotel where Wi-Fi is mostly a joke.

I'll never be able to transport all my movies and that's fine as I mostly watch them at home on the big screen but I would like to be able to cart my music around.

I don't think I'm unwise to want this. I am very clear on what is available technology-wise.

And frankly, I don't always have access to the Internet.
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Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Sat, 09 Feb 2013 15:33:39 EDT

skeechan posted : That is all well and good when I am at home home where I have the bandwidth to stream my native 1080P content. But if I am at home, I am not going to use an iPad to watch video content. If I am at my office I am not going to use my iPad to watch video content. And even on the road that is all well and good until you hit your LTE caps and then you are screwed. I rarely find public WiFi fast enough to stream at HD bitrates, even the dumbed down bitrates of services like Netflix. The same goes for hosting it off my own machine, my Cox upload is only 5Mb, not fast enough to stream my HD.

I have iTunes match, Google Music manager and Amazon for music content but I don't want to be tied to the Interwebs for my content. Typical LTE iPad plans wouldn't cover a single one of my movies nevertheless the multiple movies I watch while outside of WiFi. I really don't feel like paying overage fees every time I want to watch a movie or watching highly compressed and thus artifact filled content.

Cloud services are not a substitute for having the content on the device, particularly HD video content.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Sat, 09 Feb 2013 14:59:04 EDT

RiseAbove posted :

said by skeechan:

The question is, how do you know what you feel like listening to on any particular day? I have over 14K tracks in my library and while it would take some 39 days to listen to all of it, I may listen to Perfume one morning and AC/DC that afternoon.

16GB is a joke for a any device without an SD slot even with iTunes Match.

I'm sorry but I am on the other side of the coin, I am taking advantage of technology and the wireless network and high speed infrastructure around me to make sure I don't have to sit and worry about syncing up all that music. If you get smarter you can avoid having to spend $1000 on an iPad because you want to carry all your music.

I dropped Subsonic (»www.subsonic.org to get the software) on my computer, pointed it toward my music and videos and now i have my own cloud service, no paying apple for itunes match, no hours of syncing, I am on the move and can pick whatever I want whenever I want. I can even local cache music if I know I am going to be on a plane for a few hours. I have access to 2TB+ of files from my phone or a web browser 24/7/365 and I only spent a one time fee of $20 to do it. Instead of buying more and more space people need to wise up and know how to take advantage of what they already have and what is available.

On iOS I recommend using iSub it's a great program for the cost, for Android users DSub is brillant.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:37:54 EDT

skeechan posted : Even if you dumb all that down to 128k it will still take up a crapload of space.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:16:52 EDT

haroldo posted :

said by RRedline:

...I also don't see why it is important to know how long it would take for me to listen to all of my music? ...

Just curious, no offense intended.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:01:52 EDT

RRedline posted :

said by haroldo:

How many songs do you have (and, more importantly, how long would it take you to listen to all your songs)?

That's only around 4,000 songs, but 96% of them are 320 kbps MP3. Lots of other people have way more than I do, and I don't think it's excessive at all. I want access to all of my music anytime I want. I am not about to try planning what music I *MIGHT* want to listen to and constantly sync my iPhone/iPad/etc.

I also don't see why it is important to know how long it would take for me to listen to all of my music? I have lots of playlists and I use Genius playlists a lot. Sometimes I just let it play randomly from my entire library. As long as everything is tagged properly, and the volume levels are normalized properly, it works very well. In fact, the main reason why I use an iPhone over Android is because of music. I really don't like Google's music player, and I hate how they do song matching now. I don't know how people can tolerate music matching services (including Apple's) when the tracks play back at different volumes. Once Google or Apple (or whoever) addresses that issue, I will consider using those services. Until then, I am sticking with my iDevices and iTunes (which gets way more hate than it deserves).
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Fri, 08 Feb 2013 10:40:37 EDT

Nezmo posted :

said by skeechan:

I have the same sentiments.

In my case, 26,500+ songs over 186GB. Even iTunes Match doesn't work for my total library.
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Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Fri, 08 Feb 2013 10:17:54 EDT

haroldo posted : You and I are opposites. Last night I listened to five songs on my iPad (I bought an Andrea Boccelli CD from Amazon as a gift a few years ago and Amazon just gave me a free MP3 download of the disk, so I thought I'd listen to the music). It was the first time I used a music app since buying the iPad three years ago. I have ~3000 songs (don't ask me why).
Last year, for a month, or so, I listed to Pandora, but got bored.
In the car I always listen to AM (talk radio, news, sports, etc.)
For me, 16GB is more than enough.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Fri, 08 Feb 2013 10:08:07 EDT

skeechan posted : The question is, how do you know what you feel like listening to on any particular day? I have over 14K tracks in my library and while it would take some 39 days to listen to all of it, I may listen to Perfume one morning and AC/DC that afternoon.

16GB is a joke for a any device without an SD slot even with iTunes Match.

What to listen to..what to listen to

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Fri, 08 Feb 2013 09:44:35 EDT

haroldo posted :

said by RRedline:

....My music alone won't fit on a 32 GB model...

How many songs do you have (and, more importantly, how long would it take you to listen to all your songs)?

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Fri, 08 Feb 2013 09:37:19 EDT

RRedline posted :

said by haroldo:

IMHO, if you're not interested in running a movie theater or television station, 16GB is plenty of space. I have 16gb on both iToys and it's more than enough (>100 apps, >2500 photos and a similar amount of songs...98% of which I've never listened to).
I have a dozen, or so, friends who I mentor (in all things tech) and never has space been an issue.
I hope they don't abandon this model, since for the average user, it's plenty of space (my first computer had a 200MB hard drive).

16 GB is not nearly enough space for many people. My music alone won't fit on a 32 GB model, let alone a 16 GB.
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Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:46:57 EDT

haroldo posted :

said by Goober:

I think we're ships passing in the night with regards to the word "value". We're both possibly right in our points, but it depends on how the word is being defined.

Value is how the every one of the consumers defines it.
Some value time over money, some value convenience over money (so they'll "over pay")...it's the free choice of the consumer.
My point is...we can question the "value" of these high priced toys, but at the end of the day, the consumer is voting with their wallets/pocket books...and loudly saying that it is a good value.

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Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:44:50 EDT

Goober posted : I think we're ships passing in the night with regards to the word "value". We're both possibly right in our points, but it depends on how the word is being defined.
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Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:44:40 EDT

skeechan posted : That is like saying no rational buyer would buy a Porsche or BMW. Not everyone sees value in a Kia Rio or Honda Civic. Just because it has 4 wheels and bumpers doesn't mean it will give you the same experience. Personally I think a shoebox car with no "soul" is a complete waste of money while others would think a BMW a complete waste of money. Same goes for tech. I think a $500 crapbox from Dell is a complete waste of money, others look at a $2000 iMac and laugh out loud. One's rational buyer is another's irrational one.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:26:35 EDT

haroldo posted :

said by Goober:

Three words you said yourself . . . "No rational buyer"

...over a hundred million iPhones have been sold...they may be euphoric purchasers, but they're freely choosing to spend their hard earned money on this product (at the expense of other potential purchases...including leisure time pursuits).

I thought I'd ask, so I set up a related poll »[iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"?

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:03:38 EDT

Goober posted : Three words you said yourself . . . "No rational buyer"
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Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:08:15 EDT

haroldo posted :

said by Goober:

I don't think it's ever been about the value proposition...

It most certainly is.
No rational buyer would pay more than they think the product is worth.
Take this example...if a Windows computer cost $500 and a comparably spec-ed Apple computer cost $50 million, clearly no one would buy it. However, if the price differential were only a few hundred bucks, then the additional cost to buy the Apple computer (in return they'll get the perception of greater ease, reliability, etc.) is a value that the consumer is happy to pay for.
When you see lines around the block for people waiting (sometimes in the rain or cold) or when you see products sell out in a matter of hours or a day, or two, this means that the price charged is so attractive to so many people that they'll gladly exchange their money for the item.
Yeah, it's a bit pricey to some...but no one has a gun to their heads to make the purchase.
If it wasn't a value...it wouldn't sell. People buy products when they feel that the item they are acquiring is equal to or worth more to them than the amount they are spending.

If you feel that your daily budget for lunch is $15 and you have a choice between a $12 hamburger or a $40 hamburger...which will you buy?

Apple sells premium products that commands premium prices, but if they weren't priced properly...they wouldn't sell any.
The price (sorry to say) is right ...which is why they have $140 billion in the bank and dozens of former competitors no longer exist.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:31:42 EDT

Goober posted : I don't think it's ever been about the value proposition. At least not since the Woz days.
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Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:06:16 EDT

Paul928 posted : Sorry but I feel the price is ridicules!!! for the price of this thing, I can pretty much get a Macbook Air, which would be far more functional than an iPad!....just my two cents!

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:59:44 EDT

skeechan posted : I have single 1080P movies (typically concert videos) that even in MP4 tip the scales at 10+GB.

16GB ain't gonna get the job done.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:58:12 EDT

skeechan posted : Wall St. doesn't seem to get happy unless you post massive losses like Amazon did.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:20:04 EDT

Goober posted : I'd say it's pretty magical.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:38:03 EDT

bobrk posted :

said by mromero:

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/27/apple-preparing-to-launch-128-gb-versions-of-full-size-ipad/

Awesome move on Apple's part, even if none of US needs one, perhaps somebody else does.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:50:24 EDT

haroldo posted :

said by Octavean:

...There may be a point where Apple might want to drop the entry level 16GB iPad in favor of a more trim 32, 64, 128GB lineup,...

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:35:10 EDT

Octavean posted :

said by Zoder:

It's not an exact comparison but on Newegg, Sandisk SD flash has about $130 spread between 16 and 128 GB

At some point it may make sense to drop a model. Apple has done it before. If I recall correctly, shortly after the ZuneHD came out the iPod Touch went from 8GB to 32GB dropping inexplicably the 16GB model. The new iPod Touch has no 8GB or 16GB model,...

There may be a point where Apple might want to drop the entry level 16GB iPad in favor of a more trim 32, 64, 128GB lineup,....

Apple doesn't seem interested in budget products though. The iPad Mini isn't priced to compete with cheap ~$200 tablets like it or lump it. Which is why when I hear rumors of a cheaper iPhone coming along with some credible looking pix I don't think in terms of a budget (AKA cheap) product.

Its a natural progression to add large capacity to the iPad given that there are PC tablets already on the market with ~128GB mSATA SSD units likely running Intel Core i5 Ivy Bridge processors in the same ~$1000 price range.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:33:09 EDT

haroldo posted :

said by kaila:

I know Wall St. wouldn't favor it, but it would be great if Apple would keep the same price points, drop the 16GB version, and just go with 32, 64, 128GB increments.

As it is, these products are flying out the door...why should they cut the price? Yeah, I know, you want to pay less...but why cheapen the product when the net result will be to hurt the owners and employees of the company? This isn't a charitable endeavor and the phenomenal profitability has allowed them attract the best talent and inefficiencies to produce each successive generation.

IMHO, they've done something (quite a lot) right over the years...so they should continue doing what they're doing...

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:08:38 EDT

kaila posted : I know Wall St. wouldn't favor it, but it would be great if Apple would keep the same price points, drop the 16GB version, and just go with 32, 64, 128GB increments.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Wed, 30 Jan 2013 05:03:03 EDT

haroldo posted :

said by Snakeoil:

My question is this:
Just what is the actual price difference to the drive manufacturer. How much does it cost them to make each size drive? I can't imagine the difference in cost isn't all that great....

Every consumer product sold is available in slightly different sizes, shapes packages, etc., to provide a varying level of price points.
Think Coca Cola...the soda is the exact same, but if you buy it in a 64 ounce pottle, a six pack, a 16 ounce bottle or a 12 ounce can from the vending machine, the price per ounce differs significantly.
All marketers want to offer products to the widest variety of consumers, such that each group pays as much as they want (for essentially the same commodity).
Hi test gasoline costs the dealer a few pennies more than regular, but at the pump they jack it up 30 cents a gallon, or more.
So, if Apple puts in a chip that costs them $20 more and charges $200 more for the unit...good for them! If the consumer buys it, they profit more...if not, they'll suffer, but it's their decision as to how they'll price the product.
A seat in Yankee Stadium costs more during the playoffs and World Series than it does during pre-season games...it's the same seat, but valued differently by the consumer.
Pricing is fun...Marketing 101 was my favorite course in college.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:31:48 EDT

Zoder posted : It's not an exact comparison but on Newegg, Sandisk SD flash has about $130 spread between 16 and 128 GB

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:33:56 EDT

Snakeoil posted : My question is this:
Just what is the actual price difference to the drive manufacturer. How much does it cost them to make each size drive? I can't imagine the difference in cost isn't all that great.

1,000 bucks for a tablet is a tad pricey, for a mer mortal like myself.

1k will buy an ok/decent laptop, that will have more functionality then a tablet.
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Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:28:27 EDT

skeechan posted : That would be too easy.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:13:44 EDT

obeythelaw posted : Or make a 16 or 31 gig and one with a slot for a micro sd card! Sorry, just had to say it! :D

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:28:30 EDT

HiVolt posted :

said by robbin:

Actually the price isn't that bad. Starting from the basic model, for $100 more you can add 16 Gb, making it have 32. Then for another $100, you can add 32 Gb making it have 64. Now for another $100 we can add 64 Gb bringing the total to 128. What doesn't make sense and is a total ripoff is paying $100 for 16 Gb of memory.

Of course it's a ripoff, as the incremental increase in memory from 16, 32, 64, 128 is not an identical incremental increase of cost for Apple.
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Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:18:57 EDT

robbin posted : Actually the price isn't that bad. Starting from the basic model, for $100 more you can add 16 Gb, making it have 32. Then for another $100, you can add 32 Gb making it have 64. Now for another $100 we can add 64 Gb bringing the total to 128. What doesn't make sense and is a total ripoff is paying $100 for 16 Gb of memory.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:41:47 EDT

obeythelaw posted : It's a $1000 for the cellular version! Count me out.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:37:06 EDT

skeechan posted : Bout time...I'll off my iPad 4 in fleabay for a 128GB model. My 64 is always full. Just today I had to pull a couple of vids off to do the iOS update.

Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:07:50 EDT

Metatron2008 posted : Took em long enough.

[iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming.....

Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:55:06 EDT

mromero posted : »www.macrumors.com/2013/01/27/app···ze-ipad/