jl747
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Re: $100 a year to USE MS Office - lol My mistake.
The article I had read awhile ago said that the docs were saved to the cloud and not locally.
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The biggest one is Excel. People use it for so much more than what it is.
I can see why - it's an easy way to distribute sharable software utility programs along with data, without the distribution headaches associated with full blown executable programs.
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| said by djrobx:The biggest one is Excel. People use it for so much more than what it is. Yup. Excel spreadsheets are commonly used as a surrogate UI to a VBA program. Input data in spreadsheet "form" -> Execute VBA script -> Output data with quick access to charting. I can see why - it's an easy way to distribute sharable software utility programs along with data, without the distribution headaches associated with full blown executable programs. Excel pivot tables are the bomb, though.
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Just installed office 2013 today.
Outlook is amazing! Everything else is fine and didn't need an upgrade.
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said by JohnInSJ:said by dellsweig:http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/29/technology/office-365/index.html?iid=HP_LN
I have been using OpenOffice which works fine.
There are some power users that might use SOME of the Office features but 99% just use basics available in ANY word processor
Yep, $100 a year for 5 licenses of Office that would cost you $400 a year to buy, per license, if you got the same suite shrink-wrapped as office2013. So, in 20 years you'd break even on just buying 5 copies outright. Not only that but as I use OneNote, excel and PowerPoint so I split the cost with 3 coworkers. Only costed me $35.
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Open Office here too...does all that I need from such a program.
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Installed it. I agree Outlook is much improved. Excel has a lot of cool features. One is the ability to fill data from a list. Example You have 2000 rows of names in the Last, First format. You want to pull out the First name and put in a list.
Now you simply type the first name in a column, then when you begin to type the second name Excel will automatically fill the other 1999 rows of data. It works on addresses too.
Word you can convert PDF files to Word much better than before. In fact I have some PDF converters and 2013 does it better than them.
You can actually make movies in PowerPoint, that look professional. In fact Microsoft even made the What's New video in Power point. It too is much improved.
Access is finally to a point where a new person could at least make it work for them.
I haven't really dug in yet, but so far so good.
Last.... It didn't remove my 2010 Office and they work side by side with no problems. I'm impressed. First time I have ever been able to have two Outlooks on one PC. But 2013 is so much better I doubt I use the old one much.
They also have a Student edition that is $79.99 for a four (4) year lease for two PC's. That's a good deal. IMO anyway.
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said by natedj:I think this is a good deal, for the simple reason being, it lets you install on up to (5) computers. So basically you're paying $20 a year to have the latest MS office suite on a computer. This would be better if you can only pay $20 per PC in lieu of the $100 minimum for five.
LibreOffice and AbiWord are free and can be installed on an infinite number of computers running damn near any OS for the low low monthly cost of $0.00 |
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| said by intok:said by natedj:I think this is a good deal, for the simple reason being, it lets you install on up to (5) computers. So basically you're paying $20 a year to have the latest MS office suite on a computer. This would be better if you can only pay $20 per PC in lieu of the $100 minimum for five.
LibreOffice and AbiWord are free and can be installed on an infinite number of computers running damn near any OS for the low low monthly cost of $0.00 Yep, and if they work for you, they are a great value. They don't do everything Word does, however, so they're not a perfect fit for everyone. They're also not 60 minutes of skype calling per month, or 20 extra GB of skydrive.
Did you know you can get TV over the air for $0 a month too. Some people still pay for Dish, or Cable.
You can get free music over the radio. Some people still pay for Sat. radio, too.
Free options are great. But they're not what we're talking about here.
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| You are welcome to keep paying for crap if you like but the vast majority can actually get by just fine without it and only use it because of the tragic disease known as "thats what I've always used" syndrome.
No need for Skype, I have a cellphone and I've been able to video chat since about a decade before Skype even existed.
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said by intok:said by natedj:I think this is a good deal, for the simple reason being, it lets you install on up to (5) computers. So basically you're paying $20 a year to have the latest MS office suite on a computer. This would be better if you can only pay $20 per PC in lieu of the $100 minimum for five.
LibreOffice and AbiWord are free and can be installed on an infinite number of computers running damn near any OS for the low low monthly cost of $0.00 Yeah, they're also just shitty versions of office. Try making a powerpoint in Libre.
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Most of my editing needs are satisfied with Notepad, and if I really want to get fancy, then Wordpad. |
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said by intok:You are welcome to keep paying for crap if you like but the vast majority can actually get by just fine without it and only use it because of the tragic disease known as "thats what I've always used" syndrome.
No need for Skype, I have a cellphone and I've been able to video chat since about a decade before Skype even existed.
No need for TV, theres nothing good on 99% of the time anyways and for the few good shows there is Bittorrent.
Indeed, if you need something, just take it.
I've been using FOSS software for 20+ years. Doesn't mean I also won't pay for something that's worth paying for.
The vast majority actually pay for stuff. Like iPads. And iPhones. And Windows. And Office, if they need it. Not because it's what they've always used, but because they find value in it.
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said by aurgathor:Most of my editing needs are satisfied with Notepad, and if I really want to get fancy, then Wordpad.
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said by JohnInSJ:Indeed, if you need something, just take it.
I've been using FOSS software for 20+ years. Doesn't mean I also won't pay for something that's worth paying for.
The vast majority actually pay for stuff. Like iPads. And iPhones. And Windows. And Office, if they need it. Not because it's what they've always used, but because they find value in it.
No, it's because thats what someone told them to use because thats what that someone has always used. Go ahead, ask a Mac user what kind of computer you should buy.
I'm not against paying for things, I'm more often then not unable to pay for things under acceptable terms. I'd gladly pay for single shows like The Walking Dead, but I'm not going to pay $100 a month for TV service I'm only going to use an hour a week for 12 weeks out of the year.
So yes, go on, keep being a good little consumer, burning all of your hard earned money on trash that has a reproduction and distribution cost of $0.0000000000001. |
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said by Mele20:I only want Word. Plus, I hate the ribbon (hate the ribbon in Windows 8 Explorer also....so fat, so cumbersome to use with way, way too many icons that are extremely dumb looking too instead of WORDS. I am not functionally illiterate like 75% of Americans are (hence the move from WORDS to icons).
I like and use "Classic Menu" with Office 2010 64-bit. Best thing about this is it integrates itself into the entire Office suite.
Speaking of which... I should go check for an updated version.
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said by intok:So yes, go on, keep being a good little consumer, burning all of your hard earned money on trash that has a reproduction and distribution cost of $0.0000000000001.
I have worked in this space for my entire career, so my hard earned money comes from people paying for software. The cost of the product isn't the cost of the media or distribution.
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| True, but This is Microsoft Office we're talking about. Each new version adds little of value over even long EOL'd versions yet sell by the billions as people are forced to via planned obsolesce from the breakage of file format and lack of security updates.
If you where talking about some specialty software where there is a real need for it yet the market is small, then sure, you can jack up the price. But for mass commodity software that is churned out as cheap as possible and at maximum price to billions of users? |
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| said by intok:But for mass commodity software that is churned out as cheap as possible and at maximum price to billions of users?
Microsoft Office2013 has a lot of new features. I am going to go way out on a limb here and suggest that the programmers that work at Microsoft don't just sit around eating donuts, but they in fact program every day. Even the ones working in the office division.
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said by intok:True, but This is Microsoft Office we're talking about. Each new version adds little of value over even long EOL'd versions yet sell by the billions as people are forced to via planned obsolesce from the breakage of file format and lack of security updates.
Forced obsolesce? Hmmm - I seem to remember .docx viewers for Word that anyone could download. Plus - Word has always allowed previous formats - if it was true obsolesce then the older version would not be supported at all - only the new one would be supported.
I have had VERY few issues skipping several version of Word/Office. I went from Office 95 to 97 (97 at least a year after it was available) then skipped to 2010. This has been since 1995 - 3 versions in 13 years...
If they are forcing people to move to the newest - they are not doing a very good job at it.
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