Cabal Premium Member join:2007-01-21
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Cabal
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2013-Jan-29 11:54 am
Security Flaws in Universal Plug-n-Play: Unplug, Don't Play |
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» www.grc.com/unpnp/unpnp.htm. Been using this for years. |
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JuggernautIrreverent or irrelevant? Premium Member join:2006-09-05 Kelowna, BC
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UPnP has been disabled for years in services.msc. I've never had a problem with a device failing to work. |
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norwegian Premium Member join:2005-02-15 Outback
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Also turned off in any router too - some ship with it on by default. |
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JuggernautIrreverent or irrelevant? Premium Member join:2006-09-05 Kelowna, BC
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Yep. I think it's on by default in pretty much every router. The funny thing is, I can't think of a reason why it should even be there. |
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siljalineI'm lovin' that double wide Premium Member join:2002-10-12 Montreal, QC |
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This borrows heavily on what you already posted. Researchers Find Serious Security Flaws in Universal Plug and Play• » www.wired.com/threatleve ··· y-flaws/» twitter.com/KimZetter/st ··· 95177728 |
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DigitalXeronThere is a lack of sanity join:2003-12-17 Hamilton, ON
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said by Juggernaut:Yep. I think it's on by default in pretty much every router. The funny thing is, I can't think of a reason why it should even be there. In large, end users can be lazy at times and UPnP facilitates that laziness as people don't have to configure their NAT routers to have a new program. Allegedly it's supposed to be so applications like games and whatnot can automatically set up port forwarding. Unfortunately some program vendors set their programs up to dynamically allocate ports, rather than statically set them so you can set up the port forwarding once manually and leave it. |
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JuggernautIrreverent or irrelevant? Premium Member join:2006-09-05 Kelowna, BC |
I see. I'm not a gamer, so it's something I've not encountered. Thanks. |
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said by Juggernaut:Yep. I think it's on by default in pretty much every router. The funny thing is, I can't think of a reason why it should even be there. I think its so people using certain services can get out to the net, like torrent or a game or program instead of having to set port forwarding. Portforward = port always open, upnp only opens the port when you launch an app. Correct me if im wrong, if I am I will also disable it on my router and see how it plays on the net with my apps! Side note , if i remember correctly some mobos even have upnp in the bios, do you disable that too? |
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JuggernautIrreverent or irrelevant? Premium Member join:2006-09-05 Kelowna, BC |
Of course, as I build my own boxes. I set up my mobo's by hand to tweak the performance, and eliminate this kind of stuff. |
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OZO Premium Member join:2003-01-17 |
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said by Juggernaut:The funny thing is, I can't think of a reason why it should even be there. What is even funnier - I'm using it for the last decade and never had any security problem with it As with everything in this life there is a danger and there is a usefulness. Knife is an example. I'm sure that many. many people cut their fingers with knives every day. Nevertheless, they still use it... I think the same is true about UPnP. Take your time and get a knowledge how to use it safely and then ... use it safely |
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JuggernautIrreverent or irrelevant? Premium Member join:2006-09-05 Kelowna, BC |
Bud, as I've stated, I've never needed it with any prog or device yet. And, I do practice safe hex. |
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OZO Premium Member join:2003-01-17 |
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2013-Jan-29 10:50 pm
Good. I do the same. Example of just two usages: * dynamic port assignment - torrent app. New (random) port is forwarded on the router every time it starts. Port is immediately closed when it's done. * almost static port assignment (I may change it time to time) - SIP server, FreeSWITCH. Achieved convenience is - I change it in one place (SIP server's configuration) only. Again, IT life is not simple like black and white. It may bring you benefits and desired automation, but one has to learn how to use it safely (because there are always people, who want to exploit everything at their disposal against gullible and naive). Another controversial for some example - I use actively ActiveX without security problems. Or, JavaScript is always on, whatever site I visit (Flash, on the other hand, can be started on my demand only and BTW, on all my computers its elevated privileges are removed, search this forum for my posts how to do it). And at the same time, I don't run any AV products all the time. I simply don't need them, because I do what you're doing -- practice safe hex The main problem INHO sits on a chair and clicks on any links or buttons it sees... |
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JuggernautIrreverent or irrelevant? Premium Member join:2006-09-05 Kelowna, BC |
The 'Zombie Surfer'! *Gasp* |
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trparky Premium Member join:2000-05-24 Cleveland, OH |
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I ran the scan myself, I just inputted junk data into the program and it accepted it. |
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Haven't used what could be classed as a "home router" in a long time... what's UPNP? [/sarcasm]
Good read otherwise.
Regards |
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Mele20 Premium Member join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI
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Their application to determine if you have these "flaws" requires full name, physical address, phone number, email address etc. in order to "register" your free program. You cannot use the "free" program until you cough up the personal information.
So, I deleted the program. Why didn't you warn us? I would not have downloaded this crap if you had warned us!
I had to enable UPnP in my router many years ago. It is still enabled and will remain so. |
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TamaraBQuestion The Current Paradigm Premium Member join:2000-11-08 Da Bronx ·Verizon FiOS Ubiquiti NSM5 Synology RT2600ac Apple AirPort Extreme (2013)
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Is there a remote test to determine if your Upnp implementation is vulnerable?
Everything posted so far here requires installing test software on a windows PC. None of them run on Mac. I have an airport extreme (Time Capsule) router and run Upnp for Vonage and for back to my Mac. |
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skeechanAi Otsukaholic Premium Member join:2012-01-26 AA169|170 4 edits |
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2013-Jan-30 6:52 am
I'm not seeing any Apple products, the ABES, TC, etc on any of the hardware lists unless I am missing something. I'm assuming because Apple uses NAT-PMP. |
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For the registration, as mentioned previously you can enter anything in there. I just put x x x x x on down. |
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TamaraBQuestion The Current Paradigm Premium Member join:2000-11-08 Da Bronx ·Verizon FiOS Ubiquiti NSM5 Synology RT2600ac Apple AirPort Extreme (2013)
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said by skeechan:I'm not seeing any Apple products, the ABES, TC, etc on any of the hardware lists unless I am missing something. Thanks. What hardware vulnerability "lists" are you referring to? |
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skeechanAi Otsukaholic Premium Member join:2012-01-26 AA169|170 |
skeechan
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2013-Jan-30 6:59 am
The ones linked to in the whitepaper. |
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Mele20 Premium Member join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI |
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said by skeechan:For the registration, as mentioned previously you can enter anything in there. I just put x x x x x on down. I didn't think it would allow xxxxx. Thanks. |
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AVDRespice, Adspice, Prospice Premium Member join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ
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norwegian Premium Member join:2005-02-15 Outback |
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said by TamaraB:Is there a remote test to determine if your Upnp implementation is vulnerable? To be quite honest I didn't run the tool - why would you download, install or run a program, it basically voids any test - if it was a web based probe I would understand, but install internal to the network defeats the test, unless I miss something here? |
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TamaraBQuestion The Current Paradigm Premium Member join:2000-11-08 Da Bronx ·Verizon FiOS Ubiquiti NSM5 Synology RT2600ac Apple AirPort Extreme (2013)
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2013-Jan-30 11:48 am
said by norwegian:To be quite honest I didn't run the tool - why would you download, install or run a program, it basically voids any test - if it was a web based probe I would understand, but install internal to the network defeats the test, unless I miss something here? No, you didn't miss anything. The only way to know for sure if your router's UpNp implementation is accessible from the Internet is to probe it from the Internet. |
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CartelIntel inside Your sensitive data outside Premium Member join:2006-09-13 Chilliwack, BC |
Cartel
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2013-Jan-30 1:45 pm
US Government Warns of Hack Threat to Network Gear CERT in turn has tried to contact the more than 200 companies whose products Rapid7 have identified as being vulnerable to attack, including Belkin, D-Link, Cisco Systems Inc's Linksys division and Netgear. Belkin, D-Link and Netgear did not respond to requests for comment. » www.voanews.com/content/ ··· 376.html |
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siljalineI'm lovin' that double wide Premium Member join:2002-10-12 Montreal, QC |
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Kicking the tires now |
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TamaraBQuestion The Current Paradigm Premium Member join:2000-11-08 Da Bronx ·Verizon FiOS Ubiquiti NSM5 Synology RT2600ac Apple AirPort Extreme (2013)
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TamaraB
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2013-Jan-30 6:04 pm
You are kicking the tires from inside the car though. How do you know for sure you are protected from the outside? Only kicking the tires from the outside can tell you for sure. I have yet to see a test to do that. |
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NOYBSt. John 3.16 Premium Member join:2005-12-15 Forest Grove, OR |
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Wonder if there will be a BBR / DSL Reports tool for testing for UPnP security flaws.
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