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AlexNYC

join:2001-06-02
Edwards, CO

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reply to MxxCon

Re: [OOL] is punishing encrypted YouTube straems at prime time?

https should be used everywhere all the time as much as possible by everyone. If you have to ask "why" you have no idea how dark and scary the digital world we live in actually is. Just look at the WAN logs on your home router for a perspective.



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said by MxxCon:

no way in hell would they not have enough processing capacity to handle all that traffic.

and yet you are having problems.
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MxxCon

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said by AVD:

said by MxxCon:

no way in hell would they not have enough processing capacity to handle all that traffic.

and yet you are having problems.

So far with facts showing that CV is at fault.
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majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
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said by MxxCon:

said by AVD:

said by MxxCon:

no way in hell would they not have enough processing capacity to handle all that traffic.

and yet you are having problems.

So far with facts showing that CV is at fault.

How is it Fact when your the only one having the problem? Here in Medford at home and at work in Huntington and Huntington station I am having no problems with loading youtube videos with https.

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said by majortom1029:

How is it Fact when your the only one having the problem? Here in Medford at home and at work in Huntington and Huntington station I am having no problems with loading youtube videos with https.

Nor am I

SniperCS

join:2005-09-11
Lawrence, NY

I'm not having any of these problems either in your described "peak hours". I tested it multiple days, and no issues loading anything in HTTPS up to 1080p.

I have the 50/8 plan and everything working fine... I really think this is an issue on your end and nothing to do with CV. But believe what you'd like, I don't understand why they would block just you from accessing YouTube at full speeds on the HTTPS protocol.

You must wear some sort of tin foil hats all the time or something.



MxxCon

join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY

said by SniperCS:

I really think this is an issue on your end and nothing to do with CV.

How is this an issue on my end if during offpeak hours and on VPN youtube works perfectly? If it was a local problem, I'd be exhibiting it all the time.
said by SniperCS:

You must wear some sort of tin foil hats all the time or something.

or something.
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wsudelt
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reply to MxxCon

If by "nation security letter" you mean National Security Letter (NSL), you are incorrect as NSLs do not allow for "content" let alone intercepts - the latter of which requires a Title 3 (T3) or FISA.

As such, for any provider to intercept and decrypt packets or any other data w/out either of the above would in fact, be illegal.



wsudelt
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reply to MxxCon

Incorrect. NSLs do not "override" the requirement of a T3 or FISA intercept (or search warrant).



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reply to MxxCon

For what it's worth, I never tried to connect to youtube with https. But due to this thread, I did and have been connecting at different times to see if I could notice a difference between https and http at the highest resolution.

I couldn't.
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reply to MxxCon

At the risk of introducing a fact into this conversation.

Out of curiosity, I just watched a video I have seen in the past using https.

It was 480p, and as best I can tell just as fast. I have asked youtube to use html5 when available - both the http and https streams where html5.

Which leaves many possibilities, one of which is that the original poster's machine is slow enough that https is a problem.

I have normal service. The machine I tested on sees 18.6mb on speakeasy speed test.



MxxCon

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said by Millwood:

Which leaves many possibilities, one of which is that the original poster's machine is slow enough that https is a problem.

Yes! You solved it genius!
My computer as spec'ed here »pcpartpicker.com/b/zgO is too slow to do https only during peak usage hours and only when connected directly to OOL but not VPN.
That's a good one.
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Uhduh

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OP lives in Brooklyn. Techs there tried to unionize, and the CWA is notorious for screwing with service during contract talks. When Verizon went on strike, tons of outages. Both times. The most likely culprit is lazy disgruntled techs sabotaging the network. Because you know, the CWA is trying to claim Cablevision is intentionally giving poor service to residents of Brooklyn. What's more likely, a company that wants your money and that does have and will (assuming they keep up THEIR end of the franchise agreement) direct competition with Verizon in NYC? Or scumbags who want to be paid insane amounts of money because the union says they deserve it, and not the marketplace.


root

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said by Uhduh :

OP lives in Brooklyn. Techs there tried to unionize, and the CWA is notorious for screwing with service during contract talks. When Verizon went on strike, tons of outages. Both times. The most likely culprit is lazy disgruntled techs sabotaging the network. Because you know, the CWA is trying to claim Cablevision is intentionally giving poor service to residents of Brooklyn. What's more likely, a company that wants your money and that does have and will (assuming they keep up THEIR end of the franchise agreement) direct competition with Verizon in NYC? Or scumbags who want to be paid insane amounts of money because the union says they deserve it, and not the marketplace.

Not sure if trolling...or actually serious...in that case excellent troll sir.

frdrizzt

join:2008-05-03
Ronkonkoma, NY
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reply to MxxCon

Do you have any problems with any other HTTPS streaming video besides youtube?



MxxCon

join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY

When I tried that test, Vimeo and 'adult entertainment' website worked fine.

Today YouTube seemed to work normal..
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reply to root

said by root:

said by Uhduh :

OP lives in Brooklyn. Techs there tried to unionize, and the CWA is notorious for screwing with service during contract talks. When Verizon went on strike, tons of outages. Both times. The most likely culprit is lazy disgruntled techs sabotaging the network. Because you know, the CWA is trying to claim Cablevision is intentionally giving poor service to residents of Brooklyn. What's more likely, a company that wants your money and that does have and will (assuming they keep up THEIR end of the franchise agreement) direct competition with Verizon in NYC? Or scumbags who want to be paid insane amounts of money because the union says they deserve it, and not the marketplace.

Not sure if trolling...or actually serious...in that case excellent troll sir.

It is possible that CWA is targeting encrypted YouTube streams in primetime explicitly.
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The CWA has absolutely 0% to do with the CV internal network, and their reach is strictly limited to outside plant & customer premise wiring (as they just have some field service & OSP techs, from what I recall reading). They have no way to implement such a thing on any CV customer/customers, so please do everyone a favor and stop even entertaining the thought.



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said by frdrizzt:

so please do everyone a favor and stop even entertaining the thought.

alrighty then
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Uhduh

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reply to frdrizzt

You do understand that the employees in Brooklyn also means the inside plant employees, correct? In addition to all their construction, their dispatchers, and other customer service people. Also, lots of service issues could be caused without having any access to the head ends.


frdrizzt

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Inside plant does not program the CMTS, but (in a simplistic view) work with the equipment in the head end. I did not know for sure if Inside Plant was in the union, but I didn't care to look as it is irrelevant.



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reply to MxxCon

and what do you know: »Why Is Everyone Having YouTube Streaming Issues?

I was slowly making a note of all the YouTube issue topics on this site in each of the ISP related forums to provide in this thread, but I think this news story pretty much sums things up.
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whurlston
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reply to MxxCon

YouTube streams are not encrypted. If you go to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBx0PoSqSg you are only viewing the webpage using SSL. The actual video stream still comes via a non SSL connection from the CDN. This can be verified using WireShark or a similar packet capture software.



MxxCon

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Brooklyn, NY

Yes, I know.


comp
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said by swintec:

and what do you know: »Why Is Everyone Having YouTube Streaming Issues?

I was slowly making a note of all the YouTube issue topics on this site in each of the ISP related forums to provide in this thread, but I think this news story pretty much sums things up.

There were several threads from Time Warner customer and Comcast Customer less then 2 months ago. Bottom line was youtube can not keep up during anything related to a peak time.


MxxCon

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said by comp:

said by swintec:

and what do you know: »Why Is Everyone Having YouTube Streaming Issues?

I was slowly making a note of all the YouTube issue topics on this site in each of the ISP related forums to provide in this thread, but I think this news story pretty much sums things up.

There were several threads from Time Warner customer and Comcast Customer less then 2 months ago. Bottom line was youtube can not keep up during anything related to a peak time.

As you can see from the screenshot above, on CV it's ~3mbit, the moment I switch to my work VPN AND STILL DOWNLOAD FROM THE SAME YOUTUBE SERVER I get full 18mbit.
How is that YouTube's problem if they can transfer at full speed?!
VPN connection is encrypted, so CV can't see what's inside and can't throttle it.

Request url is »r18---sn-ab5e6nl7.c.youtube.com/···OMFGcata
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OK. I am assuming what you have posted so far is still the same. If it is not, correct the info that I am using that you have posted.

You say the same video with a HTTP request to the site is not throttled. Also you say there is actually no difference between the sending of the HTTP and HTTPS videos other then the request, both videos are sent in the clear. If you read the thread that swintec See Profile posted you will see that CDNs include throttling info in the URLs that fulfill the request. So the likely reason is that the CDN is adding throttling info when you send a HTTPS request.
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said by comp:

Bottom line was youtube can not keep up during anything related to a peak time.

its always a peak time somewhere.
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said by MxxCon:

AND STILL DOWNLOAD FROM THE SAME YOUTUBE SERVER

173.194.61.19 =/= 173.194.43.41
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whurlston
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said by MxxCon:

Yes, I know.

So then where are you getting "encrypted streams" if none of the video streams are using SSL?