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Cho Baka
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reply to aurgathor

Re: why would you want a stick shift?

I am not fond of those dual mass flywheels.

Way too expensive for service/repair, and they introduce another point of failure.
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Blogger
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The only type of car I truly enjoy or would buy if all options were available to me is a high-performance 2 or 4 door sedan with a V8. Now if I was still young and where I drove there was seldom heavy traffic and plenty of winding roads a manual would be fine. But...none of those conditions exist so the auto is a must. Easing the transition from manual to auto is that the top automatic shifters are so much more efficient and in some models actually quicker than the manual makes it even better.

But we're all different and for car lovers you've got to love what you drive so go for whatever you love and don't let any other considerations, good or bad, change your mind!
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Rifleman
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reply to aurgathor

I like manual because it is part of the experience of controlling and enjoying driving. I like to feel the road through the seat, feedback from steering and braking.
I'd bet if a car company built a bare bones, high horsepower vehicle without the bells and whistles they couldn't build them fast enough for demand.


Beezel

join:2008-12-15
Las Vegas, NV

I have always preferred manual for the performance. But in big city stop and go driving it pretty much has lost its appeal. The new manual/autos are looking promising though for performance ans ease.


Bob4
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reply to aurgathor

It used to be that a stick cost less and got better gas mileage than an automatic. But now the manufacturers charge the same and the automatic transmissions are just as efficient. (At least this applies to my car.)

So the only real reason to get a stick is that it's easier to drive in the snow. The downside is that it's a pain in the neck leg when driving in stop and go traffic.

I would have liked to get a stick for my car, but the dealer said they only see about 2 manual transmission cars per year. So I'd probably have to wait months to get it, with no guarantee of getting it even them.



aurgathor

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Actually, with some cars stick still costs a little less.

And I've actually seen at least one car where the base models with AT were more expensive, but there were no difference in case of the upscale model.

In my case, the vehicle I drive wasn't even available with stick shift (for that particular engine, a 351W), although in theory I can get a 5 speed tranny and other needed parts out of a F250/F350 and install it myself.

Lastly, I agree on stop-and-go traffic. It really sucks, even with AT.
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I AM
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reply to CylonRed

said by CylonRed:

Many other good reasons not yet mentioned but it is good to know it might be a theft deterrent...

Just start yelling it is a manual when they try and get in...

LOL. So true.


NOCTech75
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reply to Badonkadonk

said by Badonkadonk:

I have a 2010 Mazda 3 that's a stick. It's a fun little car with the optional 2.5l engine. Paddle shifters are nowhere near the same kind of fun.

Sedan or hatch?

Kearnstd
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reply to aurgathor

I took driver's ed in the 1990s and they did not teach manual transmissions. you learned on an automatic. the US has always been a more favorable automatic transmission market than Europe. I do agree with a previous poster about a stick being a better manual experience than paddle shifters.

Though I doubt you will ever see F1 or Indy Car go back to a traditional clutch and stick. I am honestly surprised that NASCAR is still clutch and stick.
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CylonRed
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When I was a kid far more cars were sold with manuals - auto's were fairly rare and limited to luxury cars (Cadi's) because they were more expensive. This was in the late 60's (and before) to mid to late 70's (even going to the 80's). It has been very recently that automatics were went the way of the manual... I took drivers ed in 83 or so - and they taught a manual.
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Bob4
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reply to Kearnstd

said by Kearnstd:

I took driver's ed in the 1990s and they did not teach manual transmissions.

I took driver's ed in the 1970s and they did not teach manual transmissions. Many year earlier (1940s? 50s?), New Jersey had manual/automatic indications on their drivers licenses. If you took the driving test in an automatic, you could only legally drive automatics.

Kids these days are lazy and don't even want sticks.


No_Strings
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said by Bob4:

Kids these days are lazy and don't even want sticks.

As with most generalizations ...

My youngest son learned on a stick. When it came time for his first car, only those with a manual transmission were considered. His choice, not mine.


CGMason14
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reply to Bob Anderson

said by Bob Anderson:

I used to own many stick shift cars but in the '80's I decided to do very long driving vacations once a year. At that time the only way to get cruise control was with an automatic, so I bought an '86 Mustang GT 4-speed auto with cruise.

This was likely a package limitation. My 1987 Audi 4000 quattro (available since 1984) had cruise control (vacuum servo system) and it was only available with a 5-speed manual. If you wanted all wheel drive in an Audi, your only choice was a 5-speed until the early 90s. Even then it was limited to the bigger, more expensive, models.

Speaking of package limitations, many cars today force you to get an automatic if you want anything above the stripper basic model. Its very annoying.


lotusracer
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reply to I AM

said by I AM:

Why? Because nothing feel better than driving a manual transmission. It really connects you to the car. It gives a better driving experience for me.

exactly!
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NOCTech75
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reply to aurgathor

I like my sequential, in Atlanta traffic I really don't want a clutch.


Kearnstd
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reply to CGMason14

said by CGMason14:

said by Bob Anderson:

I used to own many stick shift cars but in the '80's I decided to do very long driving vacations once a year. At that time the only way to get cruise control was with an automatic, so I bought an '86 Mustang GT 4-speed auto with cruise.

This was likely a package limitation. My 1987 Audi 4000 quattro (available since 1984) had cruise control (vacuum servo system) and it was only available with a 5-speed manual. If you wanted all wheel drive in an Audi, your only choice was a 5-speed until the early 90s. Even then it was limited to the bigger, more expensive, models.

Speaking of package limitations, many cars today force you to get an automatic if you want anything above the stripper basic model. Its very annoying.

I noticed that a few years ago when looking at cars, Mainly pickup trucks that any of the V8 models were Automatic only.
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I can see why in big trucks. It could be a pain. But in sportier cars you have to HAVE to have a manual. It should be a MAN LAW. If you don't know how to drive a manual you should have your MAN CARD revoked.


Kearnstd
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I do not think being able to drive manual makes anybody more manly though.

However... If someone buys a sports car with an automatic they should have their man card revoked. A proper sports car is manually shifted with a stick.
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I AM
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said by Kearnstd:

I do not think being able to drive manual makes anybody more manly though.

You crazy!?!?! Let say you met Chuck Norris. Chuck asks you, "Can you drive manual?" What would the only answer be? YES.


NOCTech75
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reply to Kearnstd

said by Kearnstd:

I do not think being able to drive manual makes anybody more manly though.

However... If someone buys a sports car with an automatic they should have their man card revoked. A proper sports car is manually shifted with a stick.

So a Ferrari 458 is not a proper sports car?

Badonkadonk
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reply to NOCTech75

said by NOCTech75:

said by Badonkadonk:

I have a 2010 Mazda 3 that's a stick. It's a fun little car with the optional 2.5l engine. Paddle shifters are nowhere near the same kind of fun.

Sedan or hatch?

Sedan. I bought it at the end of the model year and didn't have much choice, but I did get a good price. Besides, I'm too old to drive a hatchback, although this car was meant for my daughter.
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NOCTech75
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said by Badonkadonk:

said by NOCTech75:

said by Badonkadonk:

I have a 2010 Mazda 3 that's a stick. It's a fun little car with the optional 2.5l engine. Paddle shifters are nowhere near the same kind of fun.

Sedan or hatch?

Sedan. I bought it at the end of the model year and didn't have much choice, but I did get a good price. Besides, I'm too old to drive a hatchback, although this car was meant for my daughter.

HA! You are never too old for a sporty hatch, I got an '11 2.5, celestial blue. Hatch and BRIGHT.

Badonkadonk
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Nice. They're fun little cars, aren't they? I've really enjoyed it over the last couple of years.
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NOCTech75
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Yeah they are, love what Mazda has done the past 10 years. The new 6 is REALLY nice and I am not a fan of pure sedans. What I love with the hatch is the versatility.. easily fits my bike or flagging/camping gear with room to spare.


Badonkadonk
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I agree, Mazda has done some good things over the last few years. This is the first one I've owned and I really like it. I like hatchbacks, but I see too many young people with them in this area. Maybe in a nicer warm area where the versatility comes in handy for the biking and camping gear it makes sense. In cold-ass gray dreary Chicago, I don't think it fits my age.
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NOCTech75
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That's true... I also got the sunroof, that gets a fair bit of use. Not sure it would get much use in Chicago.


Kearnstd
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reply to NOCTech75

said by NOCTech75:

said by Kearnstd:

I do not think being able to drive manual makes anybody more manly though.

However... If someone buys a sports car with an automatic they should have their man card revoked. A proper sports car is manually shifted with a stick.

So a Ferrari 458 is not a proper sports car?

I have always figured Ferraris were classed as Super Cars. Though maybe that is not a true separate classification.
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CylonRed
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A super car would be a very high-end sports car (both in price, performance and availability). I would not classify all Ferrari's as super cars - the F40 was a Ferrari super car...

I also would not call the Ferrari paddle shifter an 'automatic' as NOC suggests - more based on the F1 tranny where the traditional clutch is activated via hydraulics.
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Badonkadonk
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The sunroof I like. That's one of my requirements. Leather, power seats, sunroof, satellite radio and power windows and mirrors. I prefer automatic climate control too The car has all of these, so I do enjoy it.
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NOCTech75
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reply to CylonRed

It's not a gated manual w/clutch so therefore per Kearnstd they would have their man card revoked.