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Badonkadonk
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Naperville, IL
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reply to Kearnstd

Re: why would you want a stick shift?

Truth be told, I hate the stuff that hangs of the wheel arches, but I love kicking at it and watching that dirty stuff fall off in a big chunk and smash onto the street or driveway.
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NOCTech75
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Marietta, GA
You probably like when little kids(and midgets) fall off things and smash onto the street or driveway.

Badonkadonk
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That has kind of a reality-TV appeal to it.

Kearnstd
Space Elf
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said by Badonkadonk:

That has kind of a reality-TV appeal to it.

Already done, America's Funniest Home Videos. Showing people and their kids falling off bikes and face planting since the 1980s.(In a way it was the precursor to Youtube)
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NOCTech75
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This would be different... it would be Goober kickin them.

Bob4
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reply to Kearnstd
said by Kearnstd:

Most car washes in the Northeast however do have the under-carriage wash as an option that in theory helps remove the salty slush.

Except that most of them have all the power of your kitchen sink sprayer, and simply wet the dirt and salt, increasing the risk of corrosion.

Regarding transmissions, I had a Toyota Corolla with a 2-speed automatic. It was great when you were moving at 45 mph, needed to accelerate and the damn thing would shift into first gear, and usually blow the valve cover gasket in the process.


pmohr
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join:2002-09-22
Maryville, TN
reply to Darkfairy
said by Darkfairy:

There is a lot of false information in this thread, I'm going to attempt to clarify some of it.

...

A manual will always be faster and more efficient. A clutch has less power losses, and has less power draw than a torque converter.

...

Driving a manual does not require more work.

For every day driving, yes, generally the same exact vehicle will be quicker with a manual, but that's not always a truth. There's a point (which isn't really all that low, but mostly concerning racing) where an automatic will outrace a manual, everything else equal...you just can't beat an automatic shift (with a good trans) with a driver working a clutch and shifter manually.

And as far as saying that a 'manual does not require more work', that is just obviously false. You have a clutch and a shifter to operate, which require effort to use. Not a lot, no, but it's definitely more work than not using them would be.

That being said, the only personal vehicle I've had that's an automatic is my truck, just because it wasn't available in a long bed 5 speed. A manual will always be better in my eyes, short of working on them (I'd rather rebuild a dozen automatics than another manual, so much easier).


Cho Baka
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reply to Bob4
Bob, you just dated yourself. That is old!

btw, your "join" date does not match your join date.
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CylonRed
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Bloom County
reply to pmohr
They may shift faster but autos are generally not real reliable - especially in racing. That is why no major racing series use automatics - at least to my knowledge - from F1 thru F3, to Indy, none in NASCAR, WRC, NHRA (maybe NHRA but they run much slower), ALMS, LeMans (European), Rolxes series, WTCC, DTM, BTCC - just off the top of my head.

They Subaru SVX was also noted for having a fast shifting automatic - too bad they did not have a reputation of lasting 60K+ miles.
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Darkfairy
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reply to pmohr
I'm able to shift gears in under 2 tenths of a second. A very good automatic can take an entire second and some of them, like that IS350, take even longer. So no, not faster at all.
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pmohr
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Maryville, TN
said by Darkfairy:

I'm able to shift gears in under 2 tenths of a second. A very good automatic can take an entire second and some of them, like that IS350, take even longer. So no, not faster at all.

Again, I'm a favor of manuals, but just arguing the truth of them being faster (in my context, quarter mile racing, especially sub 10 second passes).

I don't know what autos you're used to, but most shifts in modern autos are completed in well under a second.

VAG DSGs can shift in the neighborhood of 10ms, R35 and IS-F around 100ms, etc. A fair amount quicker than the 200ms you've (apparently) clocked yourself at. Even your C6s, 8L60Es, etc can shift in 200ms with the right VB mods.

Along with quick shifts, you also have the repeatable shifts (1-2, 2-3, etc), not subject to human error like a manual.

For a daily driver, I wouldn't be able to stand an automatic. If I were building a car for a fast pass on the track, I'd choose an automatic.


Darkfairy
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Tampa, FL
said by pmohr:

VAG DSGs can shift in the neighborhood of 10ms, R35 and IS-F around 100ms, etc. A fair amount quicker than the 200ms you've (apparently) clocked yourself at.

DSG is a descendent from Doppelklopfen getriebe. R35 and IS-F also use similar systems. Those are all manual transmissions.
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Stefanie


Anonymous_
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reply to aurgathor
pain when you get stuck in traffic

I LOL @ stick shift drivers

Kearnstd
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reply to aurgathor
I think where you might find autos better is on turbocharged vehicles. As with an auto the pressure never has to be released, As I think most turbos have to blow off the boost when you clutch.
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Beezel

join:2008-12-15
Las Vegas, NV
reply to Bob4
said by Bob4:

Regarding transmissions, I had a Toyota Corolla with a 2-speed automatic. It was great when you were moving at 45 mph, needed to accelerate and the damn thing would shift into first gear, and usually blow the valve cover gasket in the process.

I remember my old 327 Chevy with a Powerglide tranny.


CylonRed
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Bloom County

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reply to Anonymous_
said by Anonymous_:

pain when you get stuck in traffic

I LOL @ stick shift drivers

That is ok - not a pain for me in the least... A LOT of people use the clutch when they don't need to which I think causes a lot of the issues for those with no physical issues.

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Brian

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CylonRed
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reply to pmohr
The double clutch systems - the manuals - shift a ton faster than a automatic - just ask any of the racing guys that use them.
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Bob4
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New Jersey
Do race car drivers even use the clutch once they get going?


CylonRed
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Bloom County
The clutch is actuated via hydraulics - so no need for hte driver to use a clutch. They can have a hand clutch for a standing start though.
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itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA
reply to Darkfairy
said by Darkfairy:

I'm able to shift gears in under 2 tenths of a second. A very good automatic can take an entire second and some of them, like that IS350, take even longer. So no, not faster at all.

BS. Not even my Wife's 03 Escape with 125k takes a full second to shift under WOT or near it..

Nor does my SHO. You punch it, it nears redline and immediately shifts gears down. Using the paddles introduces a little delay but from what I've read the best way to launch the SHO is foot to the floor in Drive. It will do the shifting.

And you cannot beat an auto where the shifts are perfect and at the correct timing 99.999% of the time. It will never miss a shift and will always shift at the correct speed for maximum acceleration (At WOT).

Sticks are more fun to drive but you cannot beat the repeatability and consistency of a modern computer controlled automatic.


I AM
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reply to Anonymous_
said by Anonymous_:

pain when you get stuck in traffic

I LOL @ stick shift drivers

I LOL @ those who suck at driving Stick Shift and complain about it in traffic.


CylonRed
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Bloom County
reply to itguy05
quote:
Sticks are more fun to drive but you cannot beat the repeatability and consistency of a modern computer controlled automatic.
I prefer reliability and less cost to repair and near indestructible transmissions instead.. If a manual tranny fails - it was a hugely crappy design or the driver is 100% clueless...
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Napsterbater
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Milledgeville, GA
reply to Grimm
I do the same thing in my 99 Camaro w/Auto, it is a little fun, of course I have a stuttering LED 3rd break light if i feel i need it i tap the break just enough to light it up.


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reply to I AM
said by I AM:

I can see why in big trucks. It could be a pain. But in sportier cars you have to HAVE to have a manual. It should be a MAN LAW. If you don't know how to drive a manual you should have your MAN CARD revoked.

There are time Id love a manual in my 99 Camaro (v6) but between traffic and responding to fire calls while sometime talking on a radio I need my auto, I do use the 1 and 2 and D (basically 3) positions on it a lot.
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bobrk
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reply to Beezel
said by Beezel:

said by Bob4:

Regarding transmissions, I had a Toyota Corolla with a 2-speed automatic. It was great when you were moving at 45 mph, needed to accelerate and the damn thing would shift into first gear, and usually blow the valve cover gasket in the process.

I remember my old 327 Chevy with a Powerglide tranny.

I remember my folks 71 Vega with a Powerglide.


NOCTech75
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reply to I AM
said by I AM:

said by Anonymous_:

pain when you get stuck in traffic

I LOL @ stick shift drivers

I LOL @ those who suck at driving Stick Shift and complain about it in traffic.

I laugh at those who think it really matters.

99556139

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reply to aurgathor
I prefer driving a manual, feels like proper driving, lol.


SimbaTLK1
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reply to Rifleman


Fobulous
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Missouri City, TX
reply to aurgathor
I love driving manual. My current ride 2010 Jetta TDI is a 6-speed and it's so much fun to drive.

Believe me, we can eliminate so many accidents by driving sticks. There is no way one will mistake an accelerator with a break!
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said by Fobulous:

There is no way one will mistake an accelerator with a break!

Brake, it may even be written in the pedal rubber. Break is what happens when you don't apply your brakes quickly enough.
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