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nosx

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reply to SulucOhmun

Re: [HELP] Cisco NewB with console cable, ASA-5505 & much grief,

Please call Cisco and OPEN A TAC CASE.

aryoba
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said by nosx:

Please call Cisco and OPEN A TAC CASE.

I wonder what happen when this is the response to every question asked here

nosx

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Sorry aryoba, but this problem isnt a question with an answer.

I believe even if somebody were to get on the phone and go through the config, topology, and do the OP's job for him, we would likely end up doing more harm than good to that businesses network.

HELLFIRE
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said by aryoba:

said by nosx:

Please call Cisco and OPEN A TAC CASE.

I wonder what happen when this is the response to every question asked here

We'd have a lot quieter Cisco forum here, that's for sure....

Regards

aryoba
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said by nosx:

Sorry aryoba, but this problem isnt a question with an answer.

I believe even if somebody were to get on the phone and go through the config, topology, and do the OP's job for him, we would likely end up doing more harm than good to that businesses network.

Which is why some network guys are getting $$$ though they may be under appreciated

aryoba
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said by HELLFIRE:

said by aryoba:

said by nosx:

Please call Cisco and OPEN A TAC CASE.

I wonder what happen when this is the response to every question asked here

We'd have a lot quieter Cisco forum here, that's for sure....

Regards

I recalled several years back when this forum had a handful of network experts and was the place to exchange ideas and thoughts, even forming mutual professional relationships. With today's economy, I would assume those people were too busy to hang around anymore and moved on.

Nowdays we still have from time to time quite informative discussions, though I sometimes missed the past


tubbynet
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said by aryoba:

I recalled several years back when this forum had a handful of network experts and was the place to exchange ideas and thoughts, even forming mutual professional relationships. With today's economy, I would assume those people were too busy to hang around anymore and moved on.

Nowdays we still have from time to time quite informative discussions, though I sometimes missed the past

its all a matter of perception and skill level.
for those of us who have dealt with cisco kit -- not just at the deployment level -- but at the proof-of-concept level, working with the tme/tss/pss level, or have had to dive deep into the architecture of each platform -- we're not going to get much out of 'help me get my cisco router online so i can use it with my cable modem'.
for those of us who haven't had much exposure to cisco, or have recently acquired our ccna and are looking for how to apply it to the real world, this place may have some value.

i personally enjoy conversations about the former -- as i've had to go 'balls deep' in a lot of enterprise networks and do pocs. i also (while it lasted) had a personal n7k/n5k/n2k lab -- equipped with c4k/sup7e and asr1002. i enjoyed mocking up different technologies/scenarios for my own knowledge. now i'm relegated to my stack of 2811's and gns3. nothing is more fun than setting up something -- then finding out why it behaves the way it does.

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DarkLogix
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said by tubbynet:

nothing is more fun than setting up something -- then finding out why it behaves the way it does.

q.

And then making it work in an even more interesting way.
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tubbynet
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said by DarkLogix:

said by tubbynet:

nothing is more fun than setting up something -- then finding out why it behaves the way it does.

q.

And then making it work in an even more interesting way.

one can only go so far.
its nice to have for personal edification -- but in large enterprise/sp/datacenter/hosting environments -- you need to be able to back up your claims.
more often than not -- it means building from or on top of a cvd (cisco validated design). there will always be tweaks, but any customer worth their weight will either (a) have a lab to mock this up -- or will request staging of equipment for a poc.

in large organizations with tight change management/strict sla/high uptime requirements -- you can't just cowboy a solution. it has to be vetted and approved. (of course, there are always exceptions to the rule *looks at nosx See Profile*).
along the way, things are sure to break, and in that instance -- you use them as a troubleshooting activity.

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DarkLogix
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Of course.

Any solution to be deployed in a work enviro would have to met best practices. And just a test lab that shows it can work might not be enough vetting to find that 1-in-a-1000 bug that could crash the network.

Personaly I'm at a place that uses juniper, and well due to it juniper has made a awful impression on me.

So for now I mess with my cisco gear at home.
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cramer
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reply to aryoba
That was a very different era. Things are alot more complicated today, and "newbs" that much farther behind. (and there are too many people willing to pay lawyers when things go wrong than engineers to make it right from the start.)

What the OP wants is too complex to try to talk him through it on production hardware. (see above re: lawyers)


tubbynet
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reply to DarkLogix
said by DarkLogix:

Personaly I'm at a place that uses juniper, and well due to it juniper has made a awful impression on me.

So for now I mess with my cisco gear at home.

juniper makes some solid kit, but just like any other vendor -- it takes knowledge of the code lineage, an understanding of hardware/software limitations, and the best practices for configuration.

in fact -- $current_customer would have a lot fewer headaches if they would have used srx firewalls instead of cisco asa.

juniper mx-kit is pretty solid as well, as long as you know the limitations of mpc, dpc, ms-dpc and how they play inside the chassis.

the ex-series is a little half-baked -- but most of the bugs are solved for simpler switching, etc. when you start running mpls bits on top, then it gets interesting.

long story short -- as a consultant -- you have to keep an open mind when it comes to hardware. blanket statements that $vendor sucks prevent you from developing a true best-of-breed solution. of course -- at times -- you have to tow the line of whichever vendor you are more closely associated with. for me -- that means cisco -- but being a var/partner with multiple companies provides that enablement to choose what is best.

make yourself an olive box. you'll enjoy it.

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aryoba
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reply to DarkLogix
said by DarkLogix:

Any solution to be deployed in a work enviro would have to met best practices. And just a test lab that shows it can work might not be enough vetting to find that 1-in-a-1000 bug that could crash the network.

Funny, enough some vendor simply uses simple lab environment (i.e. back-to-back cable) instead of using actual circuits (i.e. DWDM or long-hauls) as QA prior releasing new equipments. We actually hit an image bug on this new equipments, just because we use real-world DWDM circuit; causing the vendor had to release official bug and fix in their next image release to remediate the issue (no, we did not get our money back due to production-time loss)

said by DarkLogix:

Personaly I'm at a place that uses juniper, and well due to it juniper has made a awful impression on me.

So for now I mess with my cisco gear at home.

With Juniper gears (such as routers, switches, or firewalls); it would be a stable and powerful equipment without running new features (i.e. stick with JUNOS 11.x is more likely to keep stability instead of running 12.x). This mindset also applies to IOS 12.4 compared to 15.x whenever possible.

At home though, I ran JUNOS 12.x to monitor its stability. On newer Cisco gears, we ran the 15.x IOS on production network and so far it is still stable.

aryoba
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reply to tubbynet
said by tubbynet:

said by DarkLogix:

Personaly I'm at a place that uses juniper, and well due to it juniper has made a awful impression on me.

So for now I mess with my cisco gear at home.

the ex-series is a little half-baked -- but most of the bugs are solved for simpler switching, etc. when you start running mpls bits on top, then it gets interesting.

Due to stability, you are not supposed to use the EX series for MPLS since it is a job for the MX series. Of course, some people may have different idea

aryoba
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said by cramer:

That was a very different era. Things are alot more complicated today, and "newbs" that much farther behind. (and there are too many people willing to pay lawyers when things go wrong than engineers to make it right from the start.)

I have seen too many companies like such nowdays unfortunately


tubbynet
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reply to aryoba
said by aryoba:

Due to stability, you are not supposed to use the EX series for MPLS since it is a job for the MX series. Of course, some people may have different idea

considering that juniper has no answer for the me3600/me3800 -- juniper users are turning to things like the ex4500/4550 for parity.

iirc -- this model supports more than one label at imposition -- making it suitable for vpnv4 bits. i think the ex4200 and smaller support only a single push/pop operation -- making them relatively useless in the mpls world.

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DarkLogix
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reply to tubbynet
SRX240H routers and EX4200 switches (with full 48port gig POE)
with the SRX doing the intervlan routing with a 3 port LACP

then they've crashed pretty hard alot.
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