Topic '[iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"?' in forum 'All Things Macintosh' - dslreports.com

Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Mon, 04 Feb 2013 01:50:00 EDT

Kearnstd posted : I wouldnt say the Korean parts in apple products are junk. Samsung makes many Apple parts and many users prefer to have a Samsung display in their iDevice. I have heard the Samsung retina displays are better than the LGs(I think its LG is one of the other contractors for displays.)
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Sun, 03 Feb 2013 04:30:06 EDT

SwedishRider posted : Just as a follow-up, I tried to check out all my options, but it seems that Windows Phones for VZ are hard to come by at the moment... none had any stock to play with in-store, but were expecting shipments soon. Could mean a lot of things.. but bottom line, I wasn't able to really try out the OS.

But... I was able to calculate my VZ bill...

Right now, I have a family plan where I have 4 basic phones splitting 700 talk minutes and unlimited text. That plan (with no data because I don't need any, and with my discounts) costs $120/mo out the door including fees, taxes, etc. :D

If I were to swap out 2 phones in favor of smartphones (forget brand, any smartphones), but only add 2 GB data packs to each smartphone, I'd up my bill by about $60+ dollars per month. :(

And if I went the Share Everything Plan route... my bill would be AT LEAST $200/mo to split 4 GB... and probably much higher after surcharges, taxes, etc was piled on top of the plan cost. :o

I'm not sure any smartphone is worth that to me. I might just keep my basic phones and keep my monthly bill low, and use that money toward other things that bring me more value. I didn't realize how expensive the ongoing data costs would be. $200+/mo for cell phones is just indefensible unless it's part of a business that can reap its costs back. Otherwise... it's a pretty expensive way to play Angry Birds!

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Sat, 02 Feb 2013 11:54:06 EDT

SwedishRider posted : I have to say, I've used my Windows 8 upgrade for a few days now... and after a short learning curve, it really is very innovative and fresh as an OS. I'm already thinking about my next laptop and how I'll use it with touchscreen. :D

But this has influenced my phone buying mindset. There still is time, but Windows Phone looks very attractive now. Rumor has the Nokia 920 headed to VZ shortly. I may head to an AT&T store for now and investigate its value. ;)

Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Sat, 02 Feb 2013 00:41:45 EDT

Selenia posted : Never said Apple relatively sold junk. I actually wish Steve was still alive. He'd set Apple back on the right track. Love my old Macs, but most of my issues with apple are based on philosophy, besides the "sue other innovators, even if the patents are a farce" campaign of Cook's. Tim is worse than Steve in the latter regard. As to my philosophy, it's how I use something. I prefer something left for me to modify to my preferences. I like choice, too. I can debug when something goes awry. I have been a power user of computers since the earliest desktops.I like designing my own environment as opposed to an optimized one out of the box. I bring my behavior to my mobile devices. To understand why I choose Android and Linux over Apple, it's important to understand the difference in philosophies between the 2. Each has its strengths and weaknesses. Most are opposites when it comes to the way Apple did things and the way Google did things.

Apple said we'll control the hardware, software and accessories. This makes for a limited diversity of devices to support, made by the same company that made the platform. Compatibility and optimizing they can do is quite amazing. However, it is a controlled experience that makes it harder to go your own way in customizing. Apple sometimes values form over function(give us an sd slot and removable battery, dammit. Why does that 32 gig cost $100 more than that 16 gig?). They can do what they want, but not necessarily what you want. Apple pushes this whole platform to the consumer in a unified fashion. No guess work as to how something will work. It'll just work. But go outside Apple, it'll quickly break in a hurry.

Google, on the other hand, relinquished control of hardware and only maintains minimal control on the software end(closed source window of time reserved for Nexus phones/tablets on new versions, which I think is good because the Nexus serves as a "reference" implementation for others to look at and follow). It was left up to manufacturers to compete in their own way. Some modify the Android experience(for better or much worse). Some compete on specs. Some compete on price. Some produce excellent gear. Some produce complete crap. Open sourcing Android allowed any company to use it in their own way. Google knew this and designed Android with a generic API to run programs on a variety of hardware and software configuration, using Java compilers atop the Linux kernel. This allows room to innovate and even introduce new features not normally found in Android, but also allows complete crap to enter the market. Also created fragmentation between implementations. Some programs will inevitably run better with some phones than others. It also allows you to customize it to that extent. You can really push the hardware, if you root and know what you are doing.

No wrong choice here. It's all in which appeals to you. I believe in a stable base that I can do what I want with it(Android has the Linux kernel at heart), evident by my running a stable Linux distro with bleeding edge compiled packages for things I am interested in the latest in(like running the latest Chromium browser and Gallium3D drivers in Debian stable). I can handle any breakage I may cause in getting the experience I want. It's not for everyone.
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Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Sat, 02 Feb 2013 00:14:58 EDT

skeechan posted : Until we do

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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 23:49:10 EDT

DarkSithPro posted :

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAo8gnUCWzE

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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:58:35 EDT

Selenia posted : Junk is relative. Sure, Apple's build quality is above average these days. However, what they put out now is junk back in the days where we were mostly buying Japanese engineered and manufactured products. Hell, I miss those days! They put Chinese/Korean junk in their products, it's just above average Chinese/Korean junk. Remember the old Macs(still have a few I dust off once in awhile for kicks)? Now that was quality. That is why I used to love Apple. Great build quality, innovative designs, and great software. They didn't have to go crazy suing everyone to solidify their position as the quality builder and innovator in the market. If Apple can go back to that, I would be a loyal fan once again.

That being said, there are quality Android builds. Most of Samsung's crap just doesn't qualify. You buy cheap, you can only expect cheap. What do you get when you buy the cheapest dumbphone on the market? A dirt cheap build quality that looks like a slab of vulnerable plastic, if you're lucky. Same applies to Android. Buy a phone from a quality manufacturer at the iphone's price and get a quality Android build. Buy that free with contract or sub-$100 prepaid Android PoS and you will get-you guessed it! A PoS. Maybe not in all cases. I took a risk on the Pantech Burst due to price vs specs(plus the fact Pantech feature phones had been very good to me) and say I came out ahead. Had some nasty drops and owned it over a year-still runs like a top.
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There are zealots for every OS, like every religion. They do not represent the majority of users for either.

Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:12:37 EDT

joetaxpayer posted : I was paying $30/mo for my iPad service.
When I got my iPhone, I saw personal hotspot was available, and cancelled the iPad service.
So, the phone saves me $360/yr.

I had a Blackberrry for 4 years prior. No complaints on the iPhone.

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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:05:21 EDT

DarkSithPro posted :

said by Selenia:

I had a rough time with the Galaxy S, myself. Had a Captivate and it was a PoS. Seeing afterwards the issues my friends had with other Samsung Androids and even hearing it from some more honest stores, never again will I own a Samsung. Have a Pantech Burst atm as my main. Other than a buggy updater that botches the ICS update(been fine since I worked around it and fixed it), it has been a great phone with great specs that didn't break the bank. Got my eyes on the LG Optimus G as possibly my next upgrade. Maybe an HTC One X as a backup option. Both brands have a much better track record in smartphones than Samsung. Too bad Samsung is the best known and most purchased name. They make Android look bad. As I have said before, popular does not mean good.

Yep, the ATT Captivate is what I had as well. I gotta hand it to Apple for their impressive contemporary designs, using high quality parts and construction. Like Jobs said, they "don't put junk" in their products. You'd be surprised at the poor quality these new Gimmicky Android phones have. One thing you have to admire about Apple is how well their OS is optimized to reduce lag when navigating inside the OS, using less hardware. They use 512Mb of ram and it's super buttery smooth, vs an Android device that is quad core and has 1/2gb of ram and still has minor stuttering issues. Very impressive on Apples part.

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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:02:02 EDT

haroldo posted :

said by skeechan:

.... Amazon prices it for profit maximization (where marginal cost equals marginal revenue)...

Not sure where you got your info, but they don't make any money on the Fire, they are pushing it to drive content and build their customer base. They know that once you have the Fire, you'll buy ebooks, music, etc. from them...it's almost a loss leader, but it's anything but a profit maximizer.
The newer version ekes out the smallest of profit margins »www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2012···1684863/
Marginal cost equals marginal revenue??? (Not sure what your getting at) That doesn't lead to maximization of anything.

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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 18:19:22 EDT

skeechan posted : This last quarter they sold nearly 50 million iPhones with 30% y/y growth. They did another 20 something million iPads for nearly 50% y/y growth. As that slows they're still going to get a lot of altitude before they see declines in sales numbers, if they ever see declines in sales numbers.

If there is ever a decline, it would start with hundreds of billions in the bank and hundreds of millions of unit sales per year. If there ever is a decline, you are right, it would take a long time...a VERY long time.

They would have to pull a metro to F this all up or someone else invent a phone that gives awesome BJs. A 5" screen and NFC ain't gonna do it.

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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 16:36:41 EDT

SwedishRider posted : Well, we shall see I suppose. Personally, I think Apple is at the begninings of a long, slow decline in the post-Jobs era. But as always... time will tell. :)

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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:42:01 EDT

linicx posted : I had the iPhone 4S. I have vision issues. It was the first cellphone I ever owned with a virtual keyboard that was easy to see and use. What I didn't like was VZ insisting I had to use iTunes to use the phone. It is a $70 lie that cost an $1680 over two years. Google' spyware wasn't endearing either. What I don't like about any smart phone is the value added tax. My state and city slaps on a combined VAT of 30% before FUSA or any other taxes. iPhone cost over 3K and VZ was getting most of it.

The iPhone is a hell of a good phone, but I would not buy any phone from VZ again. PS: I've had many Samsung phones that served me well but not a smart phone because I don't want google spyware on any phone. iPhone was my one and only excursion into future phones, and it was good while it lasted. I'll stick to a flip phone until something better is released.
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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:55:37 EDT

Dominokat posted : I've been an iPhone user since iPhone 4. Then 4S. Up until recently I thought it was great. I really like the "simplicity" of it.
With the success of the Samsung Galaxy 3, and the talk of the iPhone 5, I bought the 5. Although the screen is larger then its predecessors, faster CPU, etc. Honestly, I am very disappointed with the iPhone. It just seems to be getting "old" to me now.

Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:54:57 EDT

skeechan posted : Growth has been in the insane double digits for eons. Expecting 50% year over year over year over year, is exponential growth and no company sustains it, especially as these extraordinarily high levels. But that doesn't mean that growth doesn't continue at an insane rate as it is still doing at Apple.

No one else is innovating, the market is stagnant in terms of actual innovation. They're taking the same products and making small tweaks...little bigger screen, little faster processor; nothing revolutionary.

Meanwhile Apple sold a record number of handsets, more than Samsung did in the US and they make higher margins on each.

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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:53:48 EDT

Nezmo posted : I don't think Amazon has a problem. Bad example to use really.

Bezos may be a little odd, just like Jobs was but he's built and continues to build an amazing enterprise.
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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:51:27 EDT

skeechan posted : You don't reinvest profit. Profit is the retained earnings; it is what is left AFTER spending including reinvestment (along with payouts of dividends). When you post a loss, there is no profit. Expenses and charges exceeded revenues.

Meanwhile massive losses aren't a long term strategy, just ask Pets.com.

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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 12:47:30 EDT

Alcohol posted :

said by skeechan:

Jeff Bezos should be more concerned about the kind of companies that lose a crapload of money.

Meanwhile iPhone sales appear to be doing just fine and despite all the whining had yet another record quarter, despite it being only 13 weeks instead of the usual 14.

Profits for amazon are reinvested into the company. It's a long term strategy and it's working out nicely for amazon.
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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 11:46:43 EDT

not quite right posted :

said by Mike:

I'm not sure

The hardware is not very standoutish anymore. Something new and unique has to happen.

I don't know about that. People are always commenting on how thin and nice my metal iPhone 5 looks compared to their scratched up glossy plastic Galaxy III. If fact it just happened again last night.
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Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Fri, 01 Feb 2013 11:43:02 EDT

SwedishRider posted :

said by skeechan:

Meanwhile iPhone sales appear to be doing just fine and despite all the whining had yet another record quarter, despite it being only 13 weeks instead of the usual 14.

That misses the bigger picture. It's not about a great quarter, it's about how well they will do in the coming quarters... aka growth. Their prospects for growth are dimming as their product line stagnates and others innovate. I read somewhere that the iPhone is no longer the prized phone to own in China, which is having a profound effect on growth prospects overseas.

They're not going bankrupt, but they are not growing nearly as fast as they have over the recent past. Their product pipline (or lack thereof) will determine if they can turn that around, or if they've hit their market saturation point. Looking at market share, it's clear Android handsets are pulling away from the pack.

Apple needs to demonstrate that they still can innovate post-Jobs... and they simply have yet to do so.

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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 09:43:21 EDT

Mike posted : I'm not sure.

iOS is very elegant however not so much in 6. It's a bit clunky.

The hardware is not very standoutish anymore. Something new and unique has to happen.
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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 08:27:17 EDT

skeechan posted : Bezos is not telling the truth. Bezos' statement should say there are two kinds of companies...those that create their own products and those that sell other people's products. Those that create and sell their own set the price for them. Those that don't have to compete with others that are selling the same item. We see this duality with the Kindle Fire...it's not the cheapest tablet around. Amazon prices it for profit maximization (where marginal cost equals marginal revenue), not at the absolute cheapest they can sell it for. Meanwhile their resale stuff is damn cheap...not because they love selling cheap stuff but because if they don't, it won't sell.

The truth is if Amazon could get away with charging more, Bezos would absolutely be doing it. But he can't. So it is like tripping and falling on your face then saying, "I meant to do that."

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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 08:04:40 EDT

haroldo posted : Bezos is partially right. A successful company is one that gets every customer to pay as much as they want ... to buy your products. Every airline seat sells for a different amount...on the same flight.
If you price too low, you lose revenue as you leave ones on the table". I
f you price too high, you lose customers and sales.
Let each pay as much as they want and you win!

Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Fri, 01 Feb 2013 07:52:24 EDT

skeechan posted : Jeff Bezos should be more concerned about the kind of companies that lose a crapload of money.

Meanwhile iPhone sales appear to be doing just fine and despite all the whining had yet another record quarter, despite it being only 13 weeks instead of the usual 14.

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Fri, 01 Feb 2013 06:05:31 EDT

SwedishRider posted : I remember when Jeff Bezos said there are basically two kinds of successful companies: those that work hard to make you pay the most, and those that work hard to make you pay the least, and that either strategy can work.

Apple has earned its premium price based on its past innovation. But it is clear now by way of sales numbers that the average consumer is falling out of love with iOS and turning to alternate platforms. Apple needs to innovate again to earn its premium price. If not... it will soon look way too expensive when compared with alternate market choices (Galaxy S3/4 at the top of that list at the moment). And I would bet the carriers are getting tired of the high iPhone subsidies vs their less expensive counterparts.

For me... I parted ways with Apple when they EOL'd my 4ish year old MacBook, abandoning MobileMe for iCloud, which my machine was unable to run. What was I told? "Sorry, you'll need a new machine to access those services." :mad: I'm not interested in a walled garden where I'll need to keep buying premium-priced machines to continue to access content and services I've already paid or am currently paying for. That, the high price, and the lack of customization/innovation are what make me most leary of iPhone 5. I'm still undecided... but I'm starting to lean away from Apple...

Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Fri, 01 Feb 2013 05:04:23 EDT

haroldo posted :

said by Alcohol:

said by Metatron2008:

It cost them $200 to make

No it doesn't.

And even if it did. Supplies aren't the only thing you need to cover.

Labor
R&D
Marketing
Shipping costs

uh...you forgot taxes (remember, they are a California based company), employee health care costs (which, if I had to guess are going to be rising), litigation (for example, some knuckleheads are setting up a class action lawsuit complaining that Siri doesn't understand them, contrary to the advertising claims....jackpot justice could yield a massive payday for the lawyers and claimants)
They also need currency to attract and keep the best and brightest minds to create the next generation of products. If Apple were to sell units at "cost plus", the share price would plummet (even further!)...many/all employees stock and stock options packages would be worthless. The talented would be lured to work at companies that are not foolish enough to undercut their profit margins (ever wonder why the smartest people usually end up working at the most profitable companies?)
Of course, the owners, who put up their hard earned money would like to see a return on their investment, too!

Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Fri, 01 Feb 2013 04:48:15 EDT

haroldo posted :

said by BellBoy:

I didn't vote and here's why...

It's a TOTALLY subjective question. ...

So again...your question's poll results are completely in the eyes of the beholders if you will...

thats the whole point of the exercise. Poll was a response to a person who said "it's (presumably Apple products) no longer a value" (sic), and I argued that it is, since each person has their own value set, where they determine which goods and services are worthy of trade for their currency.
I further argued that the outstanding degree of marketplace acceptance is an indication that many consumers consider it a good value (IMHO)

Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:37:55 EDT

Selenia posted : I had a rough time with the Galaxy S, myself. Had a Captivate and it was a PoS. Seeing afterwards the issues my friends had with other Samsung Androids and even hearing it from some more honest stores, never again will I own a Samsung. Have a Pantech Burst atm as my main. Other than a buggy updater that botches the ICS update(been fine since I worked around it and fixed it), it has been a great phone with great specs that didn't break the bank. Got my eyes on the LG Optimus G as possibly my next upgrade. Maybe an HTC One X as a backup option. Both brands have a much better track record in smartphones than Samsung. Too bad Samsung is the best known and most purchased name. They make Android look bad. As I have said before, popular does not mean good.
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Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:31:44 EDT

Selenia posted : Nope. I think Android has surpassed on the flexibility and specs vs price front. Now they are catching up in stability. Don't get me wrong, the old iphone hardware I held onto since going to Android comes in handy. Mini network servers and such in a pinch. Going to stay with Android, but considering purchasing a Windows Phone for AT&T a friend is selling for $25. Just a toy to tinker with because I like knowing all platforms, to some extent.
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A wise person knows enough to know they couldn't possibly know everything.

There are zealots for every OS, like every religion. They do not represent the majority of users for either.

Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:19:07 EDT

Alcohol posted :

said by Metatron2008:

It cost them $200 to make

No it doesn't.

And even if it did. Supplies aren't the only thing you need to cover.

Labor
R&D
Marketing
Shipping costs
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Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:24:11 EDT

skeechan posted : More. I'm on my 4th iOS handset. I actually like my iPhone 4 more than my 5. I would prefer a 64GB 4S over the 5 if the option were still out there. I'd really like an A6 in an iP4 chassis.

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Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:53:59 EDT

DarkSithPro posted : Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"?

Answer: YES, absolutely.

The only reason I got an iPhone is because I had a rather dissatisfying experience with Samsung's Galaxy S Android phone. Never again will I get a Samsung phone. This isn't due to any loyalty, as I always look for the best bang for buck. I'm not an Apple, Microsoft, or an Android fanboy in any regards. I'm a ""bargain shopper"' who looks for quality, longevity and resale. I don't care what OS, or ecosystem I use. I simply look at what is the best for me. There are some problems with Android phones as well as Apple phones. One has to due with functionality and the other is reliability. I would rather take a device that is lacking in OS design, rather than use a device that is cheaply made and unreliable. The boring is much more desirable than dealing with faulty hardware and cheap construction. If you want a smartphone that will last you a looooong time, with decent resale then the iPhone is good for you. It's worthy to note that the subsidized price is the same for the top of the line Android and iPhones, yet the iPhones retain their value better than the Android devices, otherwise I would not pay the premium for the iPhone...

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Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:31:39 EDT

Snakeoil posted : Which Iphone?
As my wife got our 2 Iphone 4 for free with a contract to verizon, I'd have to say it was a good price. Now if the Iphone 5, then no. Mainly because I own an Ipad that cost around the same price as the 5, when it was first released. And seeing how you can buy a tablet for under 300 bucks.

But then again, I tend to shop on the cheap side.
And have yet to be disappointed because I do.
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Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:36:37 EDT

BellBoy posted : I didn't vote and here's why...

It's a TOTALLY subjective question. Some people will buy an iPhone because it's the latest and "the best" where others will buy it because they want something that works with the fewest hassles. That being said some will buy it and do literally nothing with it, where others will learn everything they can about how it works, what apps they might want, etc.

I actually had a conversation with a person (older--in his 60's) that told me he was sorry he ever bought the thing and it was a waste of money. I asked him why he bought it--his response: the marketing told him he needed it. He didn't really bother to stop and think about it. He probably would have been happier with a phone that just makes calls and that's it. When I actually showed him what he could do with it, he changed his mind and was quite happy that he owned it.

So again...your question's poll results are completely in the eyes of the beholders if you will...
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Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:14:25 EDT

SwedishRider posted : I'm weighing this out right now actually. For me, it's coming down to the iPhone 5 vs Samsung S3/4 vs Windows Phone (leaning toward the Nokia). I just upgraded to Windows 8, and to be honest, I like the new interface. It's fresh and functional, and I can see how it points to what computing will probably become over the next few years. Nothing is perfect... but Microsoft needed to make a bold move to stay relevant.. and a bold move they made. Time will tell on the relevance part.

I can't help but feel that Apple has lost its stride with innovation. The post-Jobs era has not been long in the making, and already Apple seems lost without its visionary leader.

In any case, I can get a VZ Nokia Lumia 822 Windows Phone for free. It's a tempting offer...

Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:27:54 EDT

Metatron2008 posted : It cost them $200 to make, which they then sell for $650. A PS Vita cost $160, and they sell it for $250.

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Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:51:00 EDT

CruiserMD posted : iPhone 4: Only two words needed.....it works.

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Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:51:54 EDT

rugby posted : I paid full price for my iPHone 5 64GB and I'd do it again. I use it all day long for a multitude of tasks. Most recently I used it to establish an OpenVPN tunnel to our datacenter and ssh into a problematic server and reboot it. All while getting gas at a gas station.

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Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:40:44 EDT

haroldo posted :

said by Alcohol:

Value of iphone is $650. Which is what the carriers pay on your behalf.

I know what you mean, but not really... you paid the full price, the carrier loaned you the money up front, in exchange... they charged you the money back over the term of the contract in the form of higher monthly prices.

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Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:35:10 EDT

Alcohol posted : Value of iphone is $650. Which is what the carriers pay on your behalf.
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Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:34:26 EDT

dellsweig posted : I voted yes as the device (I have owned 4 different iphones over the years) has ALWAYS been traded in for the same or more than I paid for it.
In addition, I have never required service of any kind
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Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:28:59 EDT

haroldo posted : In relation to this thread »Re: [iPad] 128 GB iPad 4 incoming......, I thought I'd ask...

[poll]Compared to the price you paid ...in terms of enjoyment functionality and convenience is the iPhone is worth,more,less,about the same,not sure,I don't own an iPhone[/poll]

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