 zacronPremium
join:2008-11-26
canada | reply to TSI Marc
Re: Changes in Bell AGAS network COuld you please flesh this out a little more?
Thanks,
Zacron
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 TSI MarcPremium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:14 | reply to TSI Marc
Ok, I just received word from Bell about those 4 links. It turns out they are being proactive and that there is nothing going on with the existing links. Which makes sense since I could see it...
So as it stands now, the links are increasingly balancing out, we keep tweaking to try to make sure the capacity is best used but some links are still running a bit hot while others are not at all. Once everything balances out fully we should should be good for a while.
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | reply to InvalidError
said by InvalidError:Even if incumbents could prove that they use mostly 1GbE, this is so outdated they would deserve a kick in the pants for not refreshing their equipment sooner. Except none of the incumbents would be so its a moot point. |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | reply to squircle
Wups, missed that. |
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 c2rothPremium
join:2006-04-26
Kitchener, ON
kudos:2 | reply to TSI Marc
I am the only one thinking now that CNOC totally missed this point when the CRTC released this decision? Or just that nobody has acted on it... |
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Re: Changes in Bell AGAS network Look two posts up  |
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said by Guspaz:In 2012-636 (»crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2012/2012-636.htm), CNOC requested that the CRTC require incumbents to provide the 10 gig access. The CRTC ruled:
72. With respect to CNOC’s request to require all incumbents who have not already done so to file tariff proposals for 10 GE interface ports, the Commission determines that all incumbents with WHSA services that do not currently offer 10 GE and support 10 gigabit-per-second transmission speeds in the provisioning of their own services should be required to do so once an independent service provider makes a firm request for such service. If incumbents are not using 10GbE (or OC192 and beyond) within their own network then they are being seriously retarded... the CRTC definitely should not have been this vague about it.
Looks like the new chairman and his crew still have lots of catching-up to do with ~10 years old technology. Even if incumbents could prove that they use mostly 1GbE, this is so outdated they would deserve a kick in the pants for not refreshing their equipment sooner. IIRC, this sort of equipment is on a 6-years amortization schedule, so the last of Bell's 1GbE-only gear should have been phased out 3-4 years ago. (Except for DSLAMs which are still mostly 1GbE today.) |
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I hope this fixes the issues as last night (Feb 4th) was brutal.
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GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | reply to TSI Marc
Re: Changes in Bell AGAS network In 2012-636 (»crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2012/2012-636.htm), CNOC requested that the CRTC require incumbents to provide the 10 gig access. The CRTC ruled:
72. With respect to CNOC’s request to require all incumbents who have not already done so to file tariff proposals for 10 GE interface ports, the Commission determines that all incumbents with WHSA services that do not currently offer 10 GE and support 10 gigabit-per-second transmission speeds in the provisioning of their own services should be required to do so once an independent service provider makes a firm request for such service.
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 HiVoltPremium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
kudos:17
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said by TSI Marc:I'm not aware that there is any such mandate.
we keep knocking on that door but nobody's ever let us in.
Can TekSavvy or CNOC as a group file something with the CRTC about it? Or is it the incumbents that can only file tariff related stuff...
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said by TSI Marc:I'm not aware that there is any such mandate.
Dunno if this helps, but para. 72 of 2012-636 seems to indicate there is a mandate:
72. With respect to CNOC’s request to require all incumbents who have not already done so to file tariff proposals for 10 GE interface ports, the Commission determines that all incumbents with WHSA services that do not currently offer 10 GE and support 10 gigabit-per-second transmission speeds in the provisioning of their own services should be required to do so once an independent service provider makes a firm request for such service. So if you ask, they should be required to comply. Of course, IANAL. |
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TSI MarcPremium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:14 | reply to Phibian
said by Phibian:I'll reconnect this evening and see if it makes any difference.
Any chance you could tell us which links / areas are potentially impacted by the Bell issue?
I had a look at that yesterday and I dont see it if there is an issue...
from your end, there's no way you could tell one way or another what link you were on...
if you have issues though I would say that the best thing is to turn your equipment off for 10 minutes and reconnect and hopefully you'll land on an other link that's fine. There are now two pools (this may change) with 15 links in each.. so each time you connect you land on one of 15 links.. the plan will potentially be to have all of ontario in one pool and all of quebec in another...
the problem we ran into with the tunnel end points was that each pool was at the limit of 32.. so now we have some breathing space.
obviously 10gig links would greatly help but I'm not sure how they would provision things on their end.. they may still want many end points per 10gig link even if we had those available... this is probably why they've held off for so long to date.
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I'll reconnect this evening and see if it makes any difference.
Any chance you could tell us which links / areas are potentially impacted by the Bell issue? |
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TSI MarcPremium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:14 | reply to Guspaz
I'm not aware that there is any such mandate.
we keep knocking on that door but nobody's ever let us in.
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GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | reply to TSI Marc
Right, so when is Bell going to start activating 10 gig links as the crtc has mandated they do?
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said by jcmh:Demand 100G aggregation links! While 100G may be available, it is not cost-effective for small clients.
TSI has only ~30Gbps of peak traffic on Bell's side so if TSI put everything on a single 40G/100G link, all of TSI's Bell-GAS would go down on a single-point failure. So 40G will not make much sense until TSI gets over 80Gbps, which may take a while at the rate this seems to be growing since so many people have switched to TPIA.
Another problem with 40G/100G is that most routers have only 160Gbps of backplane bandwidth per slot so using 40/100Gbps for small clients who use only a fraction of it wastes a lot of precious rack and chassis space: with 4x10G links on a router populated with 16x10G line cards, TSI would use 1/4th of a single card while with 2x40G (minimum for redundancy), it would use between half to a full slot depending on whether the line card has 2x or 4xQFP slots. |
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TSI MarcPremium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:14 | reply to TSI Marc
ok so yesterday the config changes were made.
Things will start to balance out.
We also added another gig link. So that's a total of 30 gig links.
By looking at the traffic across all of them, we should have plenty of capacity. Now it's a matter of balancing the load evenly. Some links I can see last night were overloaded but most were not.. i.e. the balance is the problem... we're going to see what we can do to force people off the congested ones over to the lower used ones..
we are also waiting on confirmation from Bell on a few links that may also have issues on their end. We're not sure if it's an actual problem or if they are simply being proactive.
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+1
Funny but still +1 |
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