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<description><![CDATA[lutful posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/205331" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=205331');">robbin</a>:</said><p>You did verify the direction of flow through that meter I assume. If so where is your cutoff?</p></div>I only verified that the blue handle actually turns off the cold water. I could not find another valve like that on other side of the meter but it could be hidden behind the panels somewhere else in the basement.<br> <br><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/205331" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=205331');">robbin</a>:</said><p>Also, I see a ground wire connected below the blue handled cutoff. I believe that should be jumpered to the other side of the meter. Not sure of code there, but I believe it is normal to jumper the ground to both sides of the meter.</p></div>Yes. I plan to "improve" that ground connection and also add a copper strap between the two sides of meter. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DKS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/247350" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=247350');">TA63</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p>(fuses are no longer allowed in Ontario and you must replace an old panel with breakers when you sell a house).  <br> </p></div>Where do you get that from? I know of multiple resales that have retained fusepanels. <br><br>I know that many with knob and tube are 'forced' by insurance companies to upgrade, but I have never heard of this with fuses.  <br> </p></div>No house in the last decade or so in this area with fuses can be sold. I hear about it a lot when seniors go to move into a retirement home and have to spend a lot of money to upgrade their panel. It is an insurance question, like knob and tube. You may sell your house, even privately, but insurers won't insure you on a new policy. Same with oil tanks (must be double walled) and even wood stoves (refuse to insure). <br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[TA63 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p>(fuses are no longer allowed in Ontario and you must replace an old panel with breakers when you sell a house).  <br> </p></div>Where do you get that from? I know of multiple resales that have retained fusepanels. <br><br>I know that many with knob and tube are 'forced' by insurance companies to upgrade, but I have never heard of this with fuses.  <br><small>--<br>The talented hawk speaks French.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DKS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/205331" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=205331');">robbin</a>:</said><p>You did verify the direction of flow through that meter I assume. If so where is your cutoff? Also, I see a ground wire connected below the blue handled cutoff. I believe that should be jumpered to the other side of the meter. Not sure of code there, but I believe it is normal to jumper the ground to both sides of the meter.<br> </p></div>No. He is 100% code for Ontario. Above is my own shut off valve (red handle). The panel ground is the bare copper below the valve. The other ground connection is from the old fuse box, now replaced with breakers (fuses are no longer allowed in Ontario and you must replace an old panel with breakers when you sell a house). The meter is an outside read type, converted from an old mechanical type. <br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27990875?c=2072937&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzk2Njk4NC54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="2105974 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=450 SRC="/r0/download/2072937.thumb600~135e428631423fb5a2d9696cef40fe64/IMG_3188.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[robbin posted : You did verify the direction of flow through that meter I assume. If so where is your cutoff? Also, I see a ground wire connected below the blue handled cutoff. I believe that should be jumpered to the other side of the meter. Not sure of code there, but I believe it is normal to jumper the ground to both sides of the meter.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[lutful posted : Of course that blue knob controls the main water supply. I am not supposed to mess with anything on the utility side of the pipe but I went ahead anyway. It was easy to turn and it works.  :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[cdru posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1836679" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1836679');">chip89</a>:</said><p>Here a lot of the water shut off valves are in a box outside.</p></div>I didn't say that they aren't.  I said I'd love to see a meter box that the one you posted in a northern climate that has a frost line &gt; 20 inches.<br><br>You're picture is not just a shutoff valve.  It's the shutoff valve and a meter.  It also is a foot or so below the surface from the appearance of that.  I don't have the link to it right off hand, but I believe curb stops and meters in the Cleveland area are typically 4-5'.  They can be higher than that, but typically you don't want an inch or two water line to go into the frost line unless it's only for seasonal use and gets drained in cold weather.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[chip89 posted : Here a lot of the water shut off valves are in a box outside.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Subaru posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/611909" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=611909');">patcat88</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/811675" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=811675');">cdru</a>:</said><p>Every water meter I've ever seen in my area is indoors.  It's never been outdoors.  Then again, we have a 36" frost line so it would make things a little hard to look at on a monthly basis in the pre-RF days.<br> </p></div>There is one sidewalk meter on my block in NYC, but overall its very rare. In the pre-RF days, the meters had a cable going to an electrical connector on the outside of the building. For the sidewalk meters there was a plastic black contactless knob on the manhole cover. I assume the meter reader put a gadget over it to read it.<br> </p></div>Here they put it above the basement door, but I see where the meter is in the basement, in the south in NC I think they just lift the cover as I've never seen any non-contact reader on the box and it's in front of the house on the other side of the driveway.<br><small>--<br>It's <b>NOT</b> Ni-kon It's NE-KON!<br><br><br><br><br>LG is NOT Lifes Good It's Lucky Goldstar!<br><br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DKS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1219823" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1219823');">lutful</a>:</said><p>Some other mysterious access points and covers and most probably  some rat droppings.  :(<br> </p></div>Sewer and drain access and mouse turds. You have a mouse problem. <br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[lutful posted : OK, the water meter is indeed located inside that enclosure. I also see the external meter reading cable and electrical ground. There is only one shut-off valve which I am guessing is on the utility side of the pipe which has lots of copper sulphate build up.<br><br>Some other mysterious access points and covers and most probably  some rat droppings.  :(<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27968903?c=2071166&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzk2Njk4NC54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="283276 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=447 SRC="/r0/download/2071166.thumb600~3759294b7e579cb72005360f958e6deb/water_sewer.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dcurrey posted : Here in southwestern Ohio they are mostly at the curb.  When house shopping I have seen a few with the meters in the basement, but is not the norm.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CylonRed posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/675365" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=675365');">Bubba</a>:</said><p>I digress then.... many areas south of mason dixon is out by street ;)<br> </p></div>Nope - in the ground in Ohio...  There are some pretty old houses in Dayton that have meters in the basement but in many areas it is in eeh ground.<br><small>--<br>Brian<br><br>"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank....  driven by Rosanne Barr..."  A. Bourdain</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[cdru posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1219823" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1219823');">lutful</a>:</said><p>*** Found official info. Water meter is supposed to be on the front wall of basement which includes that corner enclosure. But  the recently installed radio transmitter is obviously outside since nobody came into the house.</p></div>The have a "remote reader" installed on the outside of your house.  A remote reader is attached electronically to your indoor meter.  This allows the water utility to install/repair/replace your transmitter as needed.  The down side to this type of installation is that it's dependent on the connection to the meter to work.  My parents had a basic non-RF remote reader (looked like an odometer) that didn't work accurately for 2 years before the water company sent a letter asking if the home was occupied.  The actual meter indoors still was operating, but the connection was bad resulting in severely underreporting water consumption for those 2 years when the reader read the remote unit.<br><br>The other style of meter for RF reporting has the transmitter at the meter itself.  It has a long-life battery (10+ years IIRC).  It can easily be read by a passing vehicle collecting usage data and no chance of the unit having a bad connection not reporting data.  However it required someone to be home for about a 1/2 hour to replace the old meter and install the new one.  Plus someone to stop by once a decade to replace the battery.  But that's still better then someone stopping by once a month like they use to for houses that didn't have a remote reader installed.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Jon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/947030" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=947030');">goofy01</a>:</said><p>Jon, that is just the outside shutoff. Inside it usually shut off valves on both sides of the meter. That's how it was at my parents house in Chicago and my house in Hammond.<br> </p></div>Yeah that's what I meant. Main shut off I guess. We didn't have an inside shut off or at least that's what the plumber said. He used those tools I described above. <br><br>One of these &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.wagerco.com/trumbull/page9&10/page9&10.html" >www.wagerco.com/trumbull/page9&1&middot;&middot;&middot;&10.html</A><br><br>He also added a shut off where supply came into the house while he was at it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[lutful posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/291526" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=291526');">Jon</a>:</said><p>They unscrew this then there's a pipe that leads down to the valve. Can't find a picture of that but it's below the frost line.</p></div>We do have one of those rusted circular access points in the front yard but it is about 10ft from that basement corner and also buried under lots of snow and ice at this moment.  However, they are somehow reading the meter (from the outside) even in winter.<br><br>I will open the cover of the enclosure tomorrow and post a photo of what is there - hopefully not a bunch of rats. I regret not being more curious about the plumbing and HVAC stuff all these years.<br><br>*** Found official info. Water meter is supposed to be on the front wall of basement which includes that corner enclosure. But  the recently installed radio transmitter is obviously outside since nobody came into the house.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://ottawa.ca/en/residents/water-and-environment/water-and-sewer-bills/water-meters" >ottawa.ca/en/residents/water-and&middot;&middot;&middot;r-meters</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[scross posted : Our inside water shutoff is in one of our hall closets - a completely unexpected place for me to have found it on move-in day 25 years ago.  And of course it was completely covered with stuff, and therefore almost completely unaccessible, from that day forward.  I've frequently fussed at my wife about keeping that area relatively clear so I can get to it when I need to, but she doesn't listen.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[goofy01 posted : Jon, that is just the outside shutoff. Inside it usually shut off valves on both sides of the meter. That's how it was at my parents house in Chicago and my house in Hammond.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1854594" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1854594');">iLearn</a>:</said><p>Not sure about NY but here in Ontario there is no code for putting shut off valves for each fixture.<br> </p></div>in Ontario plumbing is inspected/enforced by the local municipality, not a provincial agency (to compare, electrical work is inspected by ESA, a provincial agency) ... but the rules are (generally) in Ontario Building Code section 7 - however, the municipality may choose to have stricter requirements.  therefore, it is difficult to speak to requirements for all of Ontario, since they can vary from city to city.  for example, in my city, fixture shutoffs are required; and one is "technically" required to have a permit/inspection for something as simple as a fixture replacement.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Jon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/239636" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=239636');">tschmidt</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1219823" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1219823');">lutful</a>:</said><p> After more hunting for nails/clamps with the magnetic stud finder, I think the water supply pipe goes down along the corner into the that unusual protrusion and then outside to the meter.   </p></div>The meter is outside, that is a new one on me. How do they keep it from freezing?<br><br>/tom<br> </p></div>When I had some plumbing done in my house in chicago, they have a tool to unscrew the cap of the Buffalo box. Then like a four foot long T-shaped pole with a key on the end to turn off the supply. So what you see above ground isn't actually the water line. It's more like a cover.<br><br>[edit]<br>It looks like this<br><br>[att=1]<br><br>They unscrew this then there's a pipe that leads down to the valve. Can't find a picture of that but it's below the frost line.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27967059?c=2070977&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzk2Njk4NC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="290245 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=500 HEIGHT=218 SRC="/r0/download/2070977~075860d6fab68a3eb45223d8190d271d/BuffaloBox2.png"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Hawk posted : <b>P.S. City of Ottawa guy said they could come and shut off the water when plumber is here. But we should not mess with the meter.</b><br><br>Good advice for everyone. The local water authorities here will charge you an arm and a leg if the homeowner or plumber damages or breaks the meter or shut off (on their side). It gets real expensive! Sorry I screwed up the quote  :huh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Shadow01 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/811675" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=811675');">cdru</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1836679" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1836679');">chip89</a>:</said><p>Like others have said you need to go looking for it in your yard it will look like this  <br> </p></div>I would love to see a meter box like that in a location north of the line marked 20 on <a href="http://www.dpwaterer.com/dp/assets/Image/Frostline_Map.jpg">this map</a>.<br> </p></div>Our meter is outside in a hole about 3 ft deep over here in the Lafayette area.  Only time I ever witnessed trouble was during the 78 blizzard when we had about 20 days below zero.  most around here stuffed the meter hole with news papers and burned them to unfreeze the line.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Hawk posted : <b>Give your local plumber a call and ask him.</b> I work at a 60 year old moderate size (23 service & construction trucks) plumbing company. I ran service for 20 years here and have been the field ops supervisor for the past seven. While I'm in the office in the morning I field calls from people with questions just like this. and try to answer them. If I can't I'll check with one of the other techs who have been here longer than I. Chances are, we've worked on it or in the area. My point being, your local reputable company might be able to assist you as to where your meter/sov is and probably offer a free estimate to resolve the/any issues. I'm still paid by the hour and don't mind helping local potential customers with their questions. We enjoy helping people. It's all good!  :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[tschmidt posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1219823" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1219823');">lutful</a>:</said><p> After more hunting for nails/clamps with the magnetic stud finder, I think the water supply pipe goes down along the corner into the that unusual protrusion and then outside to the meter.   </p></div>The meter is outside, that is a new one on me. How do they keep it from freezing?<br><br>/tom]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[KrK posted : Looks like a router to me.  Ingenious, disguising the water line as a router. :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[cdru posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1836679" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1836679');">chip89</a>:</said><p>Like others have said you need to go looking for it in your yard it will look like this  <br> </p></div>I would love to see a meter box like that in a location north of the line marked 20 on <a href="http://www.dpwaterer.com/dp/assets/Image/Frostline_Map.jpg">this map</a>.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : all outside up here too.  we do also have main shutoffs in the crawlspace though (at least all the houses i have been in that are 50yrs or younger)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[lutful posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/811675" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=811675');">cdru</a>:</said><p>Depending on how the pipes are ran you may or may not be able to find it.  If it's ran in a finished wall, it could have been covered up.</p></div>After more hunting for nails/clamps with the magnetic stud finder, I think the water supply pipe goes down along the corner into the that unusual protrusion and then outside to the meter.  <br><br>I will try to have a look at a clone of our house before ripping up the cover.<br><br>P.S. City of Ottawa guy said they could come and shut off the water when plumber is here. But we should not mess with the meter.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27966600?c=2070951&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzk2Njk4NC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="507064 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=514 HEIGHT=476 SRC="/r0/download/2070951~6d630f736facaf9c30895a323e00e599/water_entry.PNG"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Jon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/675365" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=675365');">Bubba</a>:</said><p>In our area and presume most areas of US, we  can turn our incoming water off at the water meter. All the homes I've owned in TN, ARK and MS, the water meter is/was located at the street in front of our homes.<br> </p></div>My mothers neighborhood, brothers and our old house in Chicago all had them outside. Usually on the parkway somewhere. I believe they're called a buffalo box here afaik. The house I'm in now has it inside at the meter in the basement but it must have been due to an upgrade at some point. The old one is still visible near the end of my driveway.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[chamberc posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/811675" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=811675');">cdru</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/675365" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=675365');">Bubba</a>:</said><p>In our area and presume most areas of US, we  can turn our incoming water off at the water meter. All the homes I've owned in TN, ARK and MS, the water meter is/was located at the street in front of our homes.</p></div>Every water meter I've ever seen in my area is indoors.  It's never been outdoors.  Then again, we have a 36" frost line so it would make things a little hard to look at on a monthly basis in the pre-RF days.<br> </p></div>Very different in the south... I've never even heard of a water meter being indoors.  They're always by the street in the front yard.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[iLearn posted : Not sure about NY but here in Ontario there is no code for putting shut off valves for each fixture. I have been to many 10 year old houses without the individual shut offs. Not sure if something changed recently.<br><br>Now-a-days meters can be read remotely.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : What is a water meter?<br><br>Heh,  never had one of those.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AVD posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/811675" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=811675');">cdru</a>:</said><p>Every water meter I've ever seen in my area is indoors.  It's never been outdoors.  Then again, we have a 36" frost line so it would make things a little hard to look at on a monthly basis in the pre-RF days.<br> </p></div>I have an indoor meter, at it has a ball valve on each side.<br><small>--<br>* seek help if having trouble coping<br>--Standard disclaimers apply.--</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[patcat88 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/811675" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=811675');">cdru</a>:</said><p>Worst case, a plumber or the city could shut off the line to the house so that one could be added.  I've also seen a valve replaced added without shutting it off at the street by freezing the line to plug the water flow.  Dry ice and liquid nitrogen have been used.  Probably not something you'll want to do without experiencing though as Bad Things&trade; can happen if you mess it up.<br> </p></div>Sidewalk valves have a tendency to get paved over during sidewalk replacement in NYC. Rather than use dry ice (or better yet, dry ice, a garbage bag, and alcohol), you can the correct tool &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/SF2500-Pipe-Freezer" >www.ridgid.com/Tools/SF2500-Pipe-Freezer</A> . Warning, price tag says you will be renting it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[cdru posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/611909" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=611909');">patcat88</a>:</said><p>Code illegal, the shutoff must be at the fixture. You can feel free to add more shutoffs whereever you want for maintenance, but there must be one at the fixture.</p></div>So are you using current NY code or NY code from 23 years ago to decide this code issue in Ottawa, ON? And are you sure the existing lines weren't grandfathered in under previous codes prior to that.<br><br>Regardless, what difference does it matter.  If it doesn't have a shutoff now it doesn't have a shutoff.  It doesn't change the fact whether it is or isn't against code then or now.  And if he is asking to add one, he's fixing the problem anyways.<br><br>To the OP, I'd try to trace back from the water heater.  Depending on how the pipes are ran you may or may not be able to find it.  If it's ran in a finished wall, it could have been covered up.  Or it was never there and there was only a shutoff at the street or where ever your main is.  If there are similar houses to yours in the area built around the same time, you might check with those owners to see if they have one and where it's located.  That might give you an idea if you do have to dig into a wall.<br><br>Worst case, a plumber or the city could shut off the line to the house so that one could be added.  I've also seen a valve replaced added without shutting it off at the street by freezing the line to plug the water flow.  Dry ice and liquid nitrogen have been used.  Probably not something you'll want to do without experiencing though as Bad Things&trade; can happen if you mess it up.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[patcat88 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/811675" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=811675');">cdru</a>:</said><p>Every water meter I've ever seen in my area is indoors.  It's never been outdoors.  Then again, we have a 36" frost line so it would make things a little hard to look at on a monthly basis in the pre-RF days.<br> </p></div>There is one sidewalk meter on my block in NYC, but overall its very rare. In the pre-RF days, the meters had a cable going to an electrical connector on the outside of the building. For the sidewalk meters there was a plastic black contactless knob on the manhole cover. I assume the meter reader put a gadget over it to read it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[SparkChaser posted : Around here every house has a curb shutoff in addition to the home main shut off. You need one of these and a plumber.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://m.homedepot.com/p/5-8-in-x-60-in-Steel-Street-and-Curb-Water-Meter-Key/100176507/" >m.homedepot.com/p/5-8-in-x-60-in&middot;&middot;&middot;0176507/</A><br><br>We had a pipe failure before the house shut off after 3 in of water in the basement we got it shut off at the curb  :(<br><small>--<br>--<br>--<br>"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." - Aldous Huxley<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[cdru posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/675365" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=675365');">Bubba</a>:</said><p>In our area and presume most areas of US, we  can turn our incoming water off at the water meter. All the homes I've owned in TN, ARK and MS, the water meter is/was located at the street in front of our homes.</p></div>Every water meter I've ever seen in my area is indoors.  It's never been outdoors.  Then again, we have a 36" frost line so it would make things a little hard to look at on a monthly basis in the pre-RF days.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[patcat88 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1219823" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1219823');">lutful</a>:</said><p>I want to replace 23 years old water wasting toilets and also add shut-off valves under each sink. However, I looked all around the basement but can't find the main water shut-off valve. <br> </p></div>Who built the place that there are no per fixture shutoffs?<br><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1219823" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1219823');">lutful</a>:</said><p>My hunch is that it is located behind wall panels in the finished area of the basement. I have an old magnetic nail/stud finder which shows some activity behind one area which could be steel clamps/nails holding the copper pipe.<br> </p></div>Where is the meter? How do they read it?<br><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1219823" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1219823');">lutful</a>:</said><p>I want ( a plumber ) to put a new shut-off valve where I can see the cold water pipe near the ceiling of the unfinished area. </p></div>Code illegal, the shutoff must be at the fixture. You can feel free to add more shutoffs whereever you want for maintenance, but there must be one at the fixture.<br><br><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1219823" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1219823');">lutful</a>:</said><p> Could he turn off the water outdoors at the water meter to do this job? <br> </p></div>I hope your toilets aren't fed from the gas meter. The FD chief will say you had some really bad chili last night. :D<br><br>As for a sidewalk meter, I am not familiar with those so I can't comment. How do they not freeze in Canada?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[lutful posted : I want to replace 23 years old water wasting toilets and also add shut-off valves under each sink. However, I looked all around the basement but can't find the main water shut-off valve. <br><br>My hunch is that it is located behind wall panels in the finished area of the basement. I have an old magnetic nail/stud finder which shows some activity behind one area which could be steel clamps/nails holding the copper pipe.<br><br>I want ( a plumber ) to put a new shut-off valve where I can see the cold water pipe near the ceiling of the unfinished area. Could he turn off the water outdoors at the water meter to do this job? ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:05:04 EDT</pubDate>
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