bcade
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Washington, DC | How to manage two WAN and two ROUTER connections I have a home LAN served by two ISPs. I used to have a dual WAN router where I could administer all the computers hooked up to both ISPs but throughput was dismal and managing the router was a nightmare. I now have two ASUS RT-N56U routers which are much faster than the old dual WAN router and easier to manage. Problem is I can't administer both routers through one CAT5 connection as I currently have it set up. Is it possible to set up some sort of subnet of a main LAN that could access one WAN connection but not the other but allow me, the admin, to browse and administer all clients on both LANs? Thanks in advance. |
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BinkVillains... knock off all that evil
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Denver, CO
kudos:4 | How do you have this setup today? Care to post a diagram? If you could have an ideal configuration—don’t worry about subnets and other technicalities—what would you want? |
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You could manage one via cat5 and the other wifi from a laptop, or something like that. It's not ideal. |
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bcade
join:2003-01-31
Washington, DC
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Network Diagram |
Also, I am not looking for load balancing or fail over. I'm simply looking to restrict some of the devices on my network to one isp and other devices to the second ISP, yet still retain the ability to monitor or access each network client from one PC. |
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 AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
join:2001-07-16
Dartmouth, NS
kudos:3 | reply to bcade
Dont quite understand what your looking for but here is a post that describes the two isp two router scenario for optimal results...
»2 Gateways 2 ISPs 2 Routers 1 Network |
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bcade
join:2003-01-31
Washington, DC | Thanks. I'm reading now. This maybe what I'm looking for. Was the port forwarding issue with 2 routers ever resolved? |
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Dumb question, which make / model of dual wan router were you using originally bcade  ?
Having the two Asus routers with different gatways and wired thru a single switch is the fastest way
to get this to work, but not necessarily the most elegant. If you can find a (dual wan) router or
managed switch with HSRP or VRRP capabilities, that'd be the right way to do it, bar none.
Regards |
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AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
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Dartmouth, NS
kudos:3 | reply to bcade
said by bcade:Thanks. I'm reading now. This maybe what I'm looking for. Was the port forwarding issue with 2 routers ever resolved?
Well its been awhile, but port forwarding capability was as you may have noted, was clarified near the end of the thread (what is possible).
By the way the ASUS N56U is a powerhouse consumer router. They put the switch architecture and nat architecture in hardware units separate from the CPU so its fast and can handle a gazillion connections. |
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bcade
join:2003-01-31
Washington, DC | reply to HELLFIRE
Was using the Draytek Vigor2950. I still use it at work. But it would not terminate client IP access at certain hours of the day or restrict client to certain LAN routes, as I wanted, plus it was slow and had terrible technical support. |
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 s1deoutGeek4LifePremium
join:2003-12-10
Troy, OH
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Take a PC and put PFSense on it with 2 NIC's. Better than any off the shelf router you are going to find.
This will let you have all the devices on one network and you can load balance across your ISP's or even specify which gateway traffic goes out.
Just google pfsense and you will find the downloads. Any old PC will work for it for the most part.
I know you said you dont want to load balance but why not take advantadge of it?
Plus if you put in 3 NIC's in the box you can seperate your networks and still see them all from one place. |
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AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
join:2001-07-16
Dartmouth, NS
kudos:3 | Pfsense is cheap and flexible-programmable and successfully used by some very swept up folks here - good support. All you need is tinker time etc. If you want a plugNplay for those requirements a Zyxel USG200 or USG300 will do you fine. Best of all techsupport is free and its in the US (not a call centre). There are many other fine business class routers but they cost way more in the long run. |
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I am looking to get an edgerouter in the future. This would probably do exactly what you are looking for. It is based on the "Vyatta " software. Note you will need some knowledge on how to set it up. They just released them and they are hard to get. Current price is $99.
Datasheet: »www.ubnt.com/downloads/datasheet···e_DS.pdf
»www.ubnt.com/download#doc:EdgeRouter:Lite
Wiki: »wiki.ubnt.com/EdgeMAX_Wiki
Discussion here
»forum.ubnt.com/forumdisplay.php?···1a1&f=84 |
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BinkVillains... knock off all that evil
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Denver, CO
kudos:4 | 1000000pps. Nice. |
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AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
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Dartmouth, NS
kudos:3 | reply to bcade
Tres cool switchman those do look interesting. |
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Good memory Anav!
Although bcade's Managed Switch and Patch Panel are above my skill level, compared to BR1GAND's 2008 diagram, I do recommend connecting ONE LAN Port of each Router to a Switch and leaving the rest unused. My logic is that since I've upgraded my LAN 'backbone' to Gigabit, I want to keep all 'Internal' LAN traffic away from my older 10/100Mbps Router (gave up the DSL) such that only 'External / Internet-Bound' traffic reaches it.
With several legacy 100Mbps devices still in service in 4 rooms (Media Streamers, ReplayTVs, Print Servers), I also run separate 10/100Mbps switches off 1 port of the Gigabit switches so that they can communicate with each other without 'wasting' multiple Gigabit ports.
When both tuners in 2 SiliconDust HDHR3-US units are feeding 4 channels to my Vista HTPC using WMC, ~60Mbps is only consuming ~6% of the available 1Gbps bandwidth according to Task Manager. 
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said by bcade:I have a home LAN served by two ISPs. I used to have a dual WAN router where I could administer all the computers hooked up to both ISPs... ...Problem is I can't administer both routers through one CAT5 connection as I currently have it set up. Is it possible... I feel as if I'm missing something here since no one else has else posted my 2008 solution - I assigned the Cable Router to 192.168.0.254 and the DSL Router to 192.168.0.252. The DHCP Server was enabled on the Cable Router and Disabled on the DSL Router. But, I use MAC-to-IP mapping and Manual IP Configuration for all of my devices so I really only need a DHCP Server when I plug in something 'Brand New' that needs an 'Initial IP' so that I can get to its Setup screen and assign it an IP of my choosing.
As I stated in my previous post, I have no experience with Managed Switches and Patch Panels but my solution worked fine with an Unmanaged Switch. 
I also have no experience with your Router - 10/100 or 10/100/1000. Even if it's 1Gbps, if you have available ports on the Switch, I'd use them first, just to keep the load on the Router as low as possible.
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said by bcade:...Was the port forwarding issue with 2 routers ever resolved? Both Routers were actually running DD-WRT and had identical Port Forwarding set up for my ReplayTVs. But, only ONE was enabled at a time. And, the Gateways on the ReplayTVs had to changed manually.
If you view your WAN IP as your Street Name, your Port becomes your House Number which cannot be duplicated. With both Routers on one subnet, the Street Name is the same.
IME, the best way to learn how these things work is to start out small, get that working, then gradually add devices.
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said by bcade:But it would not terminate client IP access at certain hours of the day or restrict client to certain LAN routes
Gee... not much to ask of a home piece of network gear, now is that?
There's also a FAQ item about dual wan routers available on the market that you may want to look at.
For that level of control though, you're definately looking into the prosumer / enterprise arena off the
top of my head.
@switchman
Thanks for the pointers to that gear, got a price sheet for that stuff? It just may end up giving Anav's
Zyxel recommendations a run for their money.
Regards |
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Thanks for the pointers to that gear, got a price sheet for that stuff? It just may end up giving Anav's
Zyxel recommendations a run for their money.
Regards
The 3 port edgerouter lite that I linked to is $99 USD. No pricing yet on the larger routers they will be releasing later this year.
Go to »www.ubnt.com/purchase an find a reseller that you can purchse them through.
I want two intally, possibly four total, that I can run either openVPN or IPSec over. I also want a high throughput and support IPv6 for future proofing. I hate buying routers after 1 or 2 years use.
I currently have a pair of ASUS RT-N16 running PPTP. There is not enought memory to run open VPN, 4k base memory that DD-WRT has, When you use the newer firmware load with the GUI provisioning screen. I could never get the older firmware version to run open VPN.
I do want to point out these are not targeted as a home router, how many home routers support BGP or OSPF routing. As such, they don't hold you hand to set them up like a consumer based router does. As this is R1 of the software, it appears you still have to set some things up via the command line. I am sure future release sill make it better. You may want to look at the Wiki or donload the documentation from the links I posted above. |
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AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
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Dartmouth, NS
kudos:3 | Ha, as soon as you said command line, I think hellfire popped a woody.  Seriously, be really interested in all your results with that unit. |
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