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capdjq
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Re: 1,137 B.C. drunk driving penalties to be refunded

My beef IS with the accused. I don't care about jail time as long as he's off the road not being a menace to anyone else. That's why I am happy with the instant suspensions. My sister's accuser had his license suspended over 15 times. I'm against even one drink and then driving.
You must be happy you got hit cause you got a pay off. There are similar types out there.


Gone
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We live in a country governed by the rule of law. The law applies equally to everyone. Just because you were hurt by someone during the commission of a crime does not mean that that person who wronged you is not entitled to the same legal rights and protections that you would receive under the same circumstances. While I can sympathize with the position you found itself in, all one can do is be blunt when they say that if you have a problem with that, tough shit.

No, having said all that, you can keep telling yourself your beef is with the accused all you want. It doesn't make it any more true and all you are doing is allowing yourself to feed your anger based on a lie. As had already been mentioned, impaired driving is pretty cut and dry as far as convicting someone, especially when an injury is involved. If the guy got off on a "paperwork technicality," - in other words, one of his legal rights was most likely violated in some form of another - your beef is with the Crown as they obviously did not do their due diligence to secure a conviction and instead they dropped the ball by failing to do their job.

This is the hard reality of life. It rains on the just and unjust. Lying to yourself won't make things any different, and won't change anything either.


dirtyjeffer
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reply to capdjq
there's a famous saying..."It's not what you did, it's what can be proven in a court of law".


TLS2000
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reply to capdjq
said by capdjq:

My beef IS with the accused. I don't care about jail time as long as he's off the road not being a menace to anyone else. That's why I am happy with the instant suspensions. My sister's accuser had his license suspended over 15 times. I'm against even one drink and then driving.
You must be happy you got hit cause you got a pay off. There are similar types out there.

Are you serious? When did I ever say I was happy about getting hit? Grow up man and don't put words into my mouth. The money won in the lawsuit didn't even cover lost time due to the injury. Stop trying to obfuscate the fact that you're pissed that the crown dropped the ball in that trial. I have no problem with a roadside suspension when there are charges, but to give police the power to issue a roadside suspension without even charging the person is idiotic and opens the system up to abuse. At least if there are charges being brought forward it WILL see the courts and the judge / jury can decide if the person was actually breaking the law.

I've been forced to do a breathalyzer before because the cop couldn't actually think of a good reason for why he pulled me over. He initially said I was street racing another car and backed down from that when I pointed out that if I was racing the other car I would have been winning. He then tried to imply that a bag of candy was drugs. After all of that he issued a breath demand despite the fact that I was showing ZERO signs of intoxication. He was fishing and my rights were violated. I blew ZERO, btw.

People like you seem to think that it's ok for the police to punish people on the spot despite the fact that our society and our constitution very clearly say that it is NOT acceptable for that to happen. I'm totally against drinking and driving, but that doesn't mean that I believe that ANYONE should be allowed to be punished without their day in court.

If you want to live in a society that believes in punishment without "fundamental justice" or due process, then go live in one of those societies, but don't be surprised when you realize that you have ZERO rights.
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dirtyjeffer
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said by TLS2000:

He initially said I was street racing another car and backed down from that when I pointed out that if I was racing the other car I would have been winning.

yea, because that will win you over with the cop.

be glad he didn't smack your tail lights out with his club and give you a ticket for being a smart ass that.
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TLS2000
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I wasn't trying to win him over. I was being an ass. I have a right to be an ass. That doesn't give him the right to perform an illegal search.
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dirtyjeffer
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said by TLS2000:

I wasn't trying to win him over. I was being an ass. I have a right to be an ass. That doesn't give him the right to perform an illegal search.

i know, i'm just saying, if you go lookin for trouble, you're bound to find it.


TLS2000
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I didn't start it. lol
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Styvas
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said by dirtyjeffer:

said by TLS2000:

I wasn't trying to win him over. I was being an ass. I have a right to be an ass. That doesn't give him the right to perform an illegal search.

i know, i'm just saying, if you go lookin for trouble, you're bound to find it.

Sorry, Jeff, but it's these little abuses of power that lead to bigger ones. Not every cop, of course, but it starts somewhere. As a law abiding citizen, I'm disgusted by behaviour like that, as relatively insignificant is it is in the larger scheme of things. And I know, as you do, that it happens way more than it should.