Topic 'Voltage - still no cease and desist letter?' in forum 'TekSavvy' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-27972883 en Sat, 25 May 2013 02:47:45 EDT Sat, 25 May 2013 02:47:45 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28017343 said by El Quintron:

said by JMJimmy:

The result of the case was that you can't "assign" copyrights like that without transferring the full rights. If you sue and lose you lose your copyright as well - they lost everything though their entire database ended up being worth $0 at auction.

I truly hope history repeats itself, but having worked in the content industry for a couple of years, I can tell you that shell games are a forte in the industry, so there's no reason they won't be trotting out Rightraven 2.0 this time around.

The laws are quite specific about it in Canada to prevent that type of situation. There can be only 1 author of a work. Individual interests may have claims on revenue from that work but there's only 1 who has ownership/copyright of a work and they are the ones with standing to sue. I honestly believe in at least 3-4 of the works cited Voltage is committing fraud by claiming they are the rights holders. (Example: The Magic of Belle Isle for which the copyright is held by BCDF Pictures)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28017343 Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:29:01 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28017196 said by JMJimmy:

The result of the case was that you can't "assign" copyrights like that without transferring the full rights. If you sue and lose you lose your copyright as well - they lost everything though their entire database ended up being worth $0 at auction.

I truly hope history repeats itself, but having worked in the content industry for a couple of years, I can tell you that shell games are a forte in the industry, so there's no reason they won't be trotting out Rightraven 2.0 this time around.
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said by JMJimmy:

Ask how well that worked for Righthaven.

Point being, Rightraven (or it's Canadian incarnation) takes all the risk, and the real copyright holder gets to continue without being bound by any judgement.

It may have been a poor attempt, but the actual content owners get to fight another day.

The result of the case was that you can't "assign" copyrights like that without transferring the full rights. If you sue and lose you lose your copyright as well - they lost everything though their entire database ended up being worth $0 at auction.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28016932 Sat, 16 Feb 2013 11:45:07 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28016623 said by JMJimmy:

Ask how well that worked for Righthaven.

Point being, Rightraven (or it's Canadian incarnation) takes all the risk, and the real copyright holder gets to continue without being bound by any judgement.

It may have been a poor attempt, but the actual content owners get to fight another day.
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said by hm :

This is a possibility. But it wouldn't be a wise one. The courts themselves would see it for what it is, which i'm sure they don't want.

If they had to go again, they could just license the rights out to a 3rd party corporation in order to litigate, and yeah the judge would see through it, but seeing as another party was litigating they couldn't be accused of gaming the system.

Ask how well that worked for Righthaven.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28015084 Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:24:00 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28014733 said by hm :

This is a possibility. But it wouldn't be a wise one. The courts themselves would see it for what it is, which i'm sure they don't want.

If they had to go again, they could just license the rights out to a 3rd party corporation in order to litigate, and yeah the judge would see through it, but seeing as another party was litigating they couldn't be accused of gaming the system.
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This is exactly what i was saying to a co-worker. His point was "who cares about the Voltage situation and the case because their movies are crappy" He is so short sighted and said it so smugly it made me angry. Don't you think other music/movie/software companies are watching this and most likely taking some early steps at setting up to be next in line if Voltage get's a win in any sense?

Ask him why he thinks that if the movie is of higher quality it deserves less "protection" than a movie of lower quality? Yeah, I mean it that way around. Obviously, if he will only complain about litigation on a high quality movie, he means only high quality movies are deserving of some free piracy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28014546 Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:24:59 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28014386 said by MaynardKrebs:

We don't know if the MPAA is shoveling money to Voltage in order to fund the case against these 'evil' Canadians.

It wouldn't surprise me if this was happening. What's $500k-$1MM in legal costs now in order to open up Canada to wild west extortion in perpetuity by US interests? Think the long game people.

This is exactly what i was saying to a co-worker. His point was "who cares about the Voltage situation and the case because their movies are crappy" He is so short sighted and said it so smugly it made me angry. Don't you think other music/movie/software companies are watching this and most likely taking some early steps at setting up to be next in line if Voltage get's a win in any sense?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28014386 Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:35:07 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28013987 said by El Quintron:

said by hm :

heh they aren't going bankrupt. Also if they win, they can show the court the costs it took to get this far, thus it won't be a lousy 100$ payout per person as some are saying. Or that will be another fight and they will drag people to court to recoup costs.

I don't get nor understand why you think they will auto lose and go broke...

It's all in the approach they took, they entered this as a fishing expedition, now they're looking at a court battle, with a $5000 cap on damages, I'm aware that they're trying to show commercial damages, but the burden of proof for this will be much higher, and they're already being kneecapped out of the door, with CIPPIC being granted intervenor status.

The success of this endeavor relied on getting these letters out as quickly as possible, with little time given to potential defendants to prepare, that's all gone now, so they have no other option but to begin an expensive court battle, which I doubt they'll do.

Law of diminishing returns...

I'd like to think that Voltage and their **AA allies are a psychotic Captain Ahab like construct that would gladly rush headlong into and sheer destruction, but they aren't.

What's most likely going to happen is that they're going to drop this, and try again with a different approach, and different IPs later on.

This is a possibility. But it wouldn't be a wise one. The courts themselves would see it for what it is, which i'm sure they don't want.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28013987 Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:05:36 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28013544 said by hm :

heh they aren't going bankrupt. Also if they win, they can show the court the costs it took to get this far, thus it won't be a lousy 100$ payout per person as some are saying. Or that will be another fight and they will drag people to court to recoup costs.

I don't get nor understand why you think they will auto lose and go broke...

It's all in the approach they took, they entered this as a fishing expedition, now they're looking at a court battle, with a $5000 cap on damages, I'm aware that they're trying to show commercial damages, but the burden of proof for this will be much higher, and they're already being kneecapped out of the door, with CIPPIC being granted intervenor status.

The success of this endeavor relied on getting these letters out as quickly as possible, with little time given to potential defendants to prepare, that's all gone now, so they have no other option but to begin an expensive court battle, which I doubt they'll do.

Law of diminishing returns...

I'd like to think that Voltage and their **AA allies are a psychotic Captain Ahab like construct that would gladly rush headlong into and sheer destruction, but they aren't.

What's most likely going to happen is that they're going to drop this, and try again with a different approach, and different IPs later on.
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said by El Quintron:

said by hm :

I'm not sure what will happen, but... It's in their best interest to go ahead with everything.

*If* they win and can get the names it's going to legitimize both canipre and the bs info, and *any* trolling (not just voltages trolling).

They're between a rock and a hard place:

They can either retract, save their own asses from bankruptcy, and destroy the copyright troll model in Canada pretty much forever, or they can go ahead with this, lose everything, and the copyright trolls claim some kind of moral victory, and hope to troll another day.

Things be pretty bleak for Voltage and Canpire ATM though.

heh they aren't going bankrupt. Also if they win, they can show the court the costs it took to get this far, thus it won't be a lousy 100$ payout per person as some are saying. Or that will be another fight and they will drag people to court to recoup costs.

I don't get nor understand why you think they will auto lose and go broke...

It's in their best interest to press ahead if they want to try and make money at this. For both companies and a business model.

We don't know if the MPAA is shoveling money to Voltage in order to fund the case against these 'evil' Canadians.

It wouldn't surprise me if this was happening. What's $500k-$1MM in legal costs now in order to open up Canada to wild west extortion in perpetuity by US interests? Think the long game people.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28013190 Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:43:27 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28012704
This may be indirectly related to the discussions at hand.

Re: Michael Geist. Thursday February 14, 2013
The IIPA, the umbrella lobby group that represents the major movie, music, and entertainment software lobby groups, released its recommendations for the U.S. piracy watch list last week. Those that thought passing Bill C-11 - the Canadian copyright reform bill that contained some of the most restrictive digital lock rules in the world - would satisfy U.S. groups will be disappointed. The IIPA wants Canada back on the piracy watch list, one notch below the Special Watch List (where the US placed Canada last year).

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Considering the amount of resistance they're getting thus far, I'm sure they're factoring this into their ROI calculations.

I'm still of the mindset that Voltage went into this purely as a fishing expedition, and not with intent to litigate. Now that they're being forced to either litigate or GTFO, they're probably going back to the drawing board or looking for an out ASAP.

... which basically kills their (extortion) Business Model !!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28012065 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:02:16 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28012040 said by WaitForGodot:

Question:
If these trolls run, can they be sued for bringing frivolous and vexatious lawsuits and receive legal censure here in Canada ?? I am sure it happens all the time in the litigious South.

Considering the amount of resistance they're getting thus far, I'm sure they're factoring this into their ROI calculations.

I'm still of the mindset that Voltage went into this purely as a fishing expedition, and not with intent to litigate. Now that they're being forced to either litigate or GTFO, they're probably going back to the drawing board or looking for an out ASAP.
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said by hm :

I'm not sure what will happen, but... It's in their best interest to go ahead with everything.

*If* they win and can get the names it's going to legitimize both canipre and the bs info, and *any* trolling (not just voltages trolling).

They're between a rock and a hard place:

They can either retract, save their own asses from bankruptcy, and destroy the copyright troll model in Canada pretty much forever, or they can go ahead with this, lose everything, and the copyright trolls claim some kind of moral victory, and hope to troll another day.

Things be pretty bleak for Voltage and Canpire ATM though.

Question:
If these trolls run, can they be sued for bringing frivolous and vexatious lawsuits and receive legal censure here in Canada ?? I am sure it happens all the time in the litigious South.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28012015 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:43:33 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28012007 said by El Quintron:

said by hm :

I'm not sure what will happen, but... It's in their best interest to go ahead with everything.

*If* they win and can get the names it's going to legitimize both canipre and the bs info, and *any* trolling (not just voltages trolling).

They're between a rock and a hard place:

They can either retract, save their own asses from bankruptcy, and destroy the copyright troll model in Canada pretty much forever, or they can go ahead with this, lose everything, and the copyright trolls claim some kind of moral victory, and hope to troll another day.

Things be pretty bleak for Voltage and Canpire ATM though.

heh they aren't going bankrupt. Also if they win, they can show the court the costs it took to get this far, thus it won't be a lousy 100$ payout per person as some are saying. Or that will be another fight and they will drag people to court to recoup costs.

I don't get nor understand why you think they will auto lose and go broke...

It's in their best interest to press ahead if they want to try and make money at this. For both companies and a business model.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28012007 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:40:42 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28011980 said by hm :

I'm not sure what will happen, but... It's in their best interest to go ahead with everything.

*If* they win and can get the names it's going to legitimize both canipre and the bs info, and *any* trolling (not just voltages trolling).

They're between a rock and a hard place:

They can either retract, save their own asses from bankruptcy, and destroy the copyright troll model in Canada pretty much forever, or they can go ahead with this, lose everything, and the copyright trolls claim some kind of moral victory, and hope to troll another day.

Things be pretty bleak for Voltage and Canpire ATM though.
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Yup, and you can expect Konrad von F's ruling on music sharing to go down in flames too.

Indeedy.

And what will happen?

Tens of thousands of people will all blame CIPPIC and Teksavvy.

Not that we are putting any pressure on anyone... That's just the way the diced rolled.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28011801 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:35:12 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28011621 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28011621 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:48:11 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28011529 said by HiVolt:

Haha, sweet... Bye bye, copytrolls, methinks.

I'm not sure what will happen, but... It's in their best interest to go ahead with everything.

*If* they win and can get the names it's going to legitimize both canipre and the bs info, and *any* trolling (not just voltages trolling).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28011529 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:38:43 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28011422 said by TwiztedZero:

said by MaynardKrebs:

It was strapped to the leg of the last carrier pigeon.
Musta got lost.

Voltage doesn't have "carrier pigeons" I think they tried to use vultures but they couldn't get any accross the border.

My bad.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28011422 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:00:13 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28011406 said by MaynardKrebs:

It was strapped to the leg of the last carrier pigeon.
Musta got lost.

Voltage doesn't have "carrier pigeons" I think they tried to use vultures but they couldn't get any accross the border.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28011406 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:57:16 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28011019 said by MaynardKrebs:

It was strapped to the leg of the last carrier pigeon.
Musta got lost.

Must have fallen into the same volcano that is being used to "cleanse" evidence of downloaded files on the accused PC's.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28011019 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:20:20 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28010982 said by TSI Marc:

yeah. they never replied to us with a draft C&D letter. *shrug*

It's obvious they dont want to do C&D. It doesn't fit their shakedown for profit model...

Honestly, I think they are bigger crooks than the file sharers they are trying to "bring to justice".
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The doc is up on our site: »www.teksavvy.com/en/why-teksavvy···ormation

I don't see the C&D letter, I assume you must mean CIPPIC getting intrevenor status?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28010614 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:54:17 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28010072 www.teksavvy.com/en/why-teksavvy···ormation
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said by TSI Marc:

It'll be interesting to see what they do now.

Indeed. Marc, can I ask has their been any movement from Voltage on the cease and desist?

He posted in Canadian Broadband:
»Voltage Versus Teksavvy, Round 2 Continued

Still nada.
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It'll be interesting to see what they do now.

Indeed. Marc, can I ask has their been any movement from Voltage on the cease and desist?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28010038 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:28:43 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28009989 »www.teksavvy.com/Media/Default/C···nted.PDF

Essentially states that BECAUSE Teksavvy wouldn't fight it, and because of the thousands of potential defendants, CIPPIC was granted full intervenor status.

Which they didn't get in the BMG case.

What that means, is they can submit evidence, and cross-examine the affidavit from Barry Logan, and can probably put his butt up on the stand.
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Seems to me like Canipre's "business" is about to become extinct.

Yes... Hopefully this will turn out into an example of what trolling will do to a company. Extortion is never a wise idea as it can only lead to further troubles in the future.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28009938 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:06:55 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28009777 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28009777 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:36:58 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28009764 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28009764 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:34:48 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28009677 Voltage really doesn't want that considering the Germany case - it's the only time the evidence has been tried, and it was all thrown out.

As well, there have been some major decisions lately in the US (who've seen this a lot longer than us), and they're doubting the evidence, and saying it's not enough to get a court order to get subscriber info.
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F**K THE NHL. Go Blue Jays 2013!!!
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Marc - CEO/TekSavvy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28009637 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:07:14 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28009622 "Ct grants CIPPIC motion for leave to intervene in TekSavvy - Voltage copyright case. Have right to file evidence & cross-examine"

This is gonna get gruesome for Voltage. :)
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Battle.net Tech Support MVP]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28009622 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:04:25 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28003522 said by kabes:

Another blow to the copyright trolls:

»www.techdirt.com/articles/201302···=twitter

:)

While slightly different (Voltage is only going after those who it captured at 100%) #3 is where I hope Voltage gets slammed as well. Many of their supposed copyright claims they are the foreign sales rep - not the copyright holder. Copyrights remain with the production company and are not assigned in foreign sales deals. Most of them belong to small production companies based in the US, a WPTO (might have this acronym wrong) country, which means those production companies are the ones who have standing to sue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28003522 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:45:07 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28002693
»www.techdirt.com/articles/201302···=twitter

:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-28002693 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 09:43:58 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-27994167
»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6781/125/

Another good sign. :]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-27994167 Sat, 09 Feb 2013 05:30:27 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-27994107


Distributel is now FIGHTING the court order to disclose their customer information!

This also has Canipre earmarks and that Barry Logan guy messed into it.

I expect we'll see more TPIA suits soon, being fought in Toronto and Montreal and who knows where else next, all for basically the same type of subscriber information.
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Chat = irc.teksavvy.ca]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-27994107 Sat, 09 Feb 2013 02:52:33 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-27991624 said by resa1983:

If they were truly slinking away, they'd dismiss the case.

They're waiting on CIPPIC's motion to intervene to be decided.

Ya, I'm sure they are but at the same time if they aren't sending out the cease and desist and there've been no rumblings about scheduling yet... It makes me wonder if they're ready to toss in the towel but are stalling to see if the judge will deny CIPPIC. It also makes me wonder if they are doing that, is someone documenting it to show that they've been acting in bad faith.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-27991624 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:46:55 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-27991571
They're waiting on CIPPIC's motion to intervene to be decided.
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Battle.net Tech Support MVP]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-27991571 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:33:53 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-27991545 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-27991545 Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:27:44 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-27987341 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-27987341 Thu, 07 Feb 2013 08:00:12 EDT Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Voltage-still-no-cease-and-desist-letter-27984635
On Monday, the case was released to have CIPPIC's motion to intervene decided. No clue as to time frame.

Yesterday Judge Mandamin (the judge who recommended a 1 day special hearing for hearing the evidence), wrapped up a major case - most likely the major case he stated he thought would get in the way of him being able to take over the Voltage case.

Its very possible that now that Judge Mandamin's case is resolved, he will take over the Voltage case.
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