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Rifleman
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Iran Built A Fighter Jet---Why Can't Canada?

Lol. I highly doubt it'll fly.
»www.liveleak.com/view?i=f79_1359795485
Expand your moderator at work

RTfM2010

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Re: Iran Built A Fighter Jet---Why Can't Canada?

Not being threatened by a war-mongering super-power. Yet.


koira
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.made from discarded cardboard refrigerator cartons,duct tape and aluminum foil
Painted with khaki green latex paint from Iranian Tire store

War ? Bring It On


loosedobbs

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Iran needs those. We don't. At least for few centuries.
We just buy from big brother even if we dont need it.


Rifleman
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I'll be damned--it flies!
»www.liveleak.com/view?i=a64_1359842829

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said by Rifleman:

I'll be damned--it flies!
»www.liveleak.com/view?i=a64_1359842829

You do realize it's a different plane than the one in your first post, right?


Rifleman
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I'll be damned--it's a different plane!!


loosedobbs

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said by MichelR:

said by Rifleman:

I'll be damned--it flies!
»www.liveleak.com/view?i=a64_1359842829

You do realize it's a different plane than the one in your first post, right?

said by Rifleman:

I'll be damned--it's a different plane!!

really?
And ouch.


milnoc

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We built a fighter airplane once. Long ago.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj9iESBy7u8


»www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWuZtk8uPP0


sm5w2
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> We built a fighter airplane once. Long ago

My dad worked for Avro - as test instrumentation engineer. He worked on the Arrows. I wouldn't be here if the Arrow program didn't get canceled...

I hear that some divers are really close to finding some of the scale models of the avro they shot out over lake ontario.


BonezX
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said by milnoc:

We built a fighter airplane once. Long ago.

we built a high altitude interceptor, slightly different.

MaynardKrebs
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Maybe we should buy these
»www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1c_1313750562
It's 2D thrust vectoring will out maneuver an F-35


Rifleman
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Here's vid of the damned plane flying--but looks like a model to me. The point I was trying to make is if they have the tech and budget to build these, would our money not be better spent developing our own?
»www.liveleak.com/view?i=73b_1359812981


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said by Rifleman:

Lol. I highly doubt it'll fly.
»www.liveleak.com/view?i=f79_1359795485

The view inside the cockpit (now vanishing off the internet)shows that Iran has an active and viable fibreglass industry.
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Shrug

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More here:
»www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/···dar.html

Canada should buy some.


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»www.youtube.com/watch?v=JosSIu8lsks


It appears to fly (or something with the same profile...)

couple of points:

1) The front of the cockpit area appears too small to have any combat usable radar system.

2) The ways the intakes are placed, inset and above the wings, would appear to restrict the airflow in any high angle of pitch (low speed) and could easily cause compressor stalls.

3) The angles on the frame appears to be too smooth. This would negate the (stealth) radar profile (best is multiple sharp angles).

My 2 cents... Oh yea, we don't have those anymore.


milnoc

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said by Rifleman:

The point I was trying to make is if they have the tech and budget to build these, would our money not be better spent developing our own?

We can't anymore. After the cancellation, we signed a treaty with the USA that forbids us to unilaterally build our own fighters. We can only build them "in partnership" with the USA.

We've literally surrendered part of our sovereignty to the USA. And considering how poorly the Americans have behaved in foreign nations, it doesn't comfort me one damn bit.
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We could just treat the treaty the same way the Americans treat NAFTA. Build it anyway and too bad if they don't like it.

Not that I support us spending all that money to build a jet. I think it'd be cheaper to just buy one.
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said by milnoc:

We can't anymore. After the cancellation, we signed a treaty with the USA that forbids us to unilaterally build our own fighters. We can only build them "in partnership" with the USA.

Doesn't stop us from buying the SAAB or the PAK-FA. Wouldn't us
buying the PAK piss the US off bigtime?!

FaxCap


Gone
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said by milnoc:

We can't anymore. After the cancellation, we signed a treaty with the USA that forbids us to unilaterally build our own fighters. We can only build them "in partnership" with the USA.

You got a citation?


FiReSTaRT
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Good on Iran to combat dependence on foreign industrial production by leveraging their natural resources to finance their own solutions. I wish we were that smart.


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said by sm5w2:

I hear that some divers are really close to finding some of the scale models of the avro they shot out over lake ontario.

We must be the most stupid people on Earth, after spending billions and cancelling this project we went ahead and destroyed all the blue prints and cast machines of this jet plane instead of selling them off to recoup our money... aren't we smart?

To anyone that cares Iran has built it's own home-made vehicles since 1984, it's called the "Paykan" or something like that.


Wolfie00
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Canada isn't working overtime on a nuclear weapons program, either, nor are we hurriedly preparing to go to war.

The only reason Iran is trying to build US stealth fighter jet knock-offs is that their nuclear program has put them under tight international sanctions and no one will sell them the real thing.


FiReSTaRT
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said by Wolfie00:

Canada isn't working overtime on a nuclear weapons program, either, nor are we hurriedly preparing to go to war.

The only reason Iran is trying to build US stealth fighter jet knock-offs is that their nuclear program has put them under tight international sanctions and no one will sell them the real thing.

They could buy some good stuff from Russia or China, but they're playing it smart by keeping their dependence on foreign industries to a minimum. Canada... Not so much
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Wolfie00
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said by FiReSTaRT:

They could buy some good stuff from Russia or China...

There has been an arms embargo since United Nations Security Council Resolution 1747 in 2007, reinforced by five other binding resolutions after that. China and Russia participated in passing those resolutions.

MaynardKrebs
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said by FiReSTaRT:

said by Wolfie00:

Canada isn't working overtime on a nuclear weapons program, either, nor are we hurriedly preparing to go to war.

The only reason Iran is trying to build US stealth fighter jet knock-offs is that their nuclear program has put them under tight international sanctions and no one will sell them the real thing.

They could buy some good stuff from Russia or China, but they're playing it smart by keeping their dependence on foreign industries to a minimum. Canada... Not so much

No big deal to modify a Bombardier Q400 series to be like an AC-130H/J.

If we put roll-down windows on a Challenger and give the pilots pistols, we'll have a much more advanced fighter aircraft than we had a the start of World War I - there's no propeller to fire through.


milnoc

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said by Gone:

said by milnoc:

We can't anymore. After the cancellation, we signed a treaty with the USA that forbids us to unilaterally build our own fighters. We can only build them "in partnership" with the USA.

You got a citation?

The Defense Production Sharing Agreement.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Pr···greement

»www.ccc.ca/en/industries-and-mar···PSAe.pdf
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Gone
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said by milnoc:

The Defense Production Sharing Agreement.

Have you read the agreement? It does absolutely nothing like what you described.

Canada could completely do something on their own, and the Americans in turn would be within their right to withdraw production in Canada as per the agreement.


FiReSTaRT
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said by Wolfie00:

There has been an arms embargo since United Nations Security Council Resolution 1747 in 2007, reinforced by five other binding resolutions after that. China and Russia participated in passing those resolutions.

Thanks for pointing that out. I was unaware of it. Well, I guess the Iranians will benefit from this bit of adversity once the Sun finally sets on the US and the crusade ends. Who knows, one day, we might even be buying from them, once those F35's start performing like those British subs
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