 Smokey Bearveritas odium paritPremium
join:2008-03-15
Annie's Pub
kudos:4 | Mozilla will automatically disable all plug-ins in Firefox NetworkWorld | January 30, 2013 quote:
Mozilla yesterday announced it would automatically disable all plug-ins in Firefox (except the latest version of Adobe's Flash Player), citing security and stability reasons for the move.
The feature, called "click-to-play," has been part of Firefox since version 17, which launched last November, but Mozilla will restrict plug-ins even further going forward.
By default, click-to-play bars plug-in play, but users can override the block by clicking any grayed-out content area on a Web page. The technique has become popular as browser makers try to keep users safe from a rising tide of exploits that leverage bugs in plug-ins, particularly the Java browser plug-in.
Although Mozilla did not define a timeline, it will soon block all plug-ins other than the latest version of Flash. The block will include up-to-date versions of popular plug-ins such as Adobe's Acrobat Reader, Microsoft's Silverlight and Oracle's Java.
Mozilla said the drastic step was needed to safeguard users from "drive-by" attacks, which trigger exploits as soon as a victim visits a malicious or compromised website.
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| it is not going to be good if they block the 10.x version of flash player.. lots of people have problems with the 11.x version of flash player when using it with "firefox"..
look at what mozilla support says for solving problems with flash player.. over and over and over again they say the solution to all of the problems is to use the 10.x version of flash player:
»support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/ado···-crashed
i have only heard one person say that they didn't have problems with using the 11.x version of flash player with firefox, and i have to wonder if the reason is that that one person never tried using flash player to watch videos, where all they saw it used for was to generate a graphic on a webpage.. |
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 SeleniaI love DebianPremium
join:2006-09-22
Lanesboro, MA
kudos:2 | Flash 11 on Debian Linux running like a champ on this laptop. Then again, I use Chromium(based on Chrome without the GoogleWare). 1080p videos are silky smooth on its somewhat lowly HD4200 graphics but fairly powerful cpu. |
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Seems like it's just one more way for browser makers to control and collect what we do online. It's not the browser makers responsibility to be parents and keep their kids er users safe. Overreaching vs responsibility, education and common sense. |
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 beckPremium,MVM
join:2002-01-29
On The Road
kudos:1 | reply to Smokey Bear
Well, what if I don't want my plug ins turned off? Pretty f*ing high handed of them. |
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 siljalineI'm lovin' that double widePremium
join:2002-10-12
Montreal, QC
kudos:17
 ·Bell Sympatico
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• »blog.mozilla.org/security/2013/0···plugins/
• »addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/blocked/ |
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What have they got against Quicktime or Windows videos such as asf, wmv or avi? I have seen no problems with those. I can kind of see the objection to Silverlight, since it gives no way to shut off access to webcam or microphone except by setting the wrong device. |
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There's got to be a way to rip this feature out of Firefox. Pro users like ourselves don't need this. Mozilla has gone the same way as Google with Chrome and Opera...not much different at this rate acting all big brother on us as if they know better than we do and have no control over 'features' like this anymore. |
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 therube
join:2004-11-11
Randallstown, MD | reply to redwolfe_98
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January 29, 2013: Flash Player Plugin 10.2.* and lower (click-to-play)
The current version of Flash 10 is 10.3.*, so that is not being blocked (currently). |
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therube
join:2004-11-11
Randallstown, MD | reply to Smokey Bear
It's probably not a bad thing.
They do have the data to back up their move.
(Sending in those crash reports does help.)
They know well what plugins are vulnerable or that do cause crashes.
"Plugins" are the new game & everyone & their sister wants in on it.
All kinds of crapware now end up installing plugins, often unbeknownst to the user.
Take a look at your plugins right now.
(about:plugins & about:addons)
Just what do you have? Anything related to .NET? Windows Activation Technologies?
Just what in the world would anyone need anything like that for?
(Mine says Flash, & the rarely used anymore, WMP plugin.)
Ages ago, I may have used Quicktime. Possibly Real. Bugs, crashes, in those days had forced me to give them up. These days, it is (for me at least) rare to even find those formats & if I happen to, I can download the media & play it in my media player. (That likely is not a viable option for all.)
Would assume even if there is a blanket OFF, there will still be afforded (about:config) Preference methods to enable particular plugins.
quote:
During this change we will monitor the results and feedback of the new settings and UI to ensure we’re providing a quality experience and delivering the many benefits of Click to Play to Firefox users.
And I'm sure they're going to hear a lot of flack about this, & are prepared for that too, & that will affect how they go forward. |
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 LagzPremium
join:2000-09-03
The Rock | reply to Smokey Bear
If I lose NoScript and Adblock plus, then they will lose me. |
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said by beck:Well, what if I don't want my plug ins turned off? Pretty f*ing high handed of them.
+1
It's still my pc, not theirs. My responsibility, and ultimately my decision.
They need to get over themselves.
ETA: Firefox used to be the "yes you can" browser. They've turned into the "no you can't" nanny browser. It's really sad. |
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therube
join:2004-11-11
Randallstown, MD | reply to Lagz
> If I lose NoScript and Adblock plus, then they will lose me.
Those are extensions, not plugins.
Though if they deemed it necessary, they could block those too, blocklist.xml. |
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therube
join:2004-11-11
Randallstown, MD | reply to goalieskates
Do you install security updates from MS?
Including those ones, those "killbits"?
Killbits are "no you can't"?
Do you use that service from Google (also included in FF) that says, "no you can't" when you want to visit a "bad" website?
Do you use the OpenDNS service, & one that filters, oh "bad" stuff? Perhaps porn or warez or whatever "bad" might be, you know, one of those "no you can't" DNS services.
Do you specifically try avoid particular websites when you browse, because you know they are bad or harbor bad things? Well guess what, in that case you are your very own "no you can't".
And in the end, for every "no you can't", well there is a way to "just say yes". |
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 ZZZZZZZPremium
join:2001-05-27
PARADISE
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I think it's a great idea!
I use Iron where all my plugins are disabled and the click to play is used.........it works great.
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 NOYBSt. John 3.16Premium
join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR
kudos:1 | reply to goalieskates
said by goalieskates:said by beck:Well, what if I don't want my plug ins turned off? Pretty f*ing high handed of them.
+1 It's still my pc, not theirs. My responsibility, and ultimately my decision. They need to get over themselves. ETA: Firefox used to be the "yes you can" browser. They've turned into the "no you can't" nanny browser. It's really sad.
It may be your PC but it is their product to design and build anyway they please (see fit). If you don't like their product then don't use it.
Quite frankly the masses need this protection. It is unreasonable to expect everyone out there using a computer to be a tech guru and keeping up to date with all the security threats and issues. Just like it would be unreasonable for everyone out there driving a car to do all their own maintenance and repairs. Some can but the masses cannot. Especially when it comes to safety devices such as brakes and air bags. And it is unreasonable to expect them too. Safety devices are not always only for the safety of the user/operator but the safety of others as well.
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said by kickass69:There's got to be a way to rip this feature out of Firefox. Pro users like ourselves don't need this. Mozilla has gone the same way as Google with Chrome and Opera...not much different at this rate acting all big brother on us as if they know better than we do and have no control over 'features' like this anymore.
They should make a way to disable this in about:config but if you cant disable this I will uninstall it and go back to another browser. |
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ZZZZZZZPremium
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PARADISE
kudos:1 Reviews:
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Flash is basically the only plugin that is really needed for videos,and with the click to play it'll be easy.
Lets not get too paranoid with this move.........it's a good one.
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said by NOYB:
It may be your PC but it is their product to design and build anyway they please (see fit). If you don't like their product then don't use it.
Quite frankly the masses need this protection.
The masses do NOT need this protection. Your basic assumption (and that of FF) is that the masses are all stupid and won't listen if warned. It's a top down, we-are-the-experts mindset, much like DHS preaches, and really not that far from tyranny. Big Brother will decide. Even if they get it wrong, they will decide.
It's also light years away from the original spirit of Mozilla. That may not bother you, but it's a definite shift away from what they were, and I find that really sad. They were special, and it made them great. A lot of really generous and talented people contributed to them in a spirit of openness and giving. They didn't sneer at the masses or their own customers.
Now they're just a royal pita, and I find myself unwilling to update any of their stuff for fear of "features" like this one. If nothing else, this gives me newfound respect for all those companies that refuse to budge off IE6 - and find other ways to secure their browsers. Maybe they have a point we've all been overlooking - that you can as easily be taken out by your browser vendor as you can by the bad guys. Either way, you're dead. Heh. |
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said by ZZZZZZZ:Why?
Flash is basically the only plugin that is really needed for videos,and with the click to play it'll be easy.
Lets not get too paranoid with this move.........it's a good one.
I did not ask for click-to-play or to break the web with this enabled by default. I will say this if moz don't give us a way to fully disable this I will be uninstalling firefox. I do not like any application blocking previous versions of flash and other plugins under some sort of security garbage that you must click to play first.
As the owner of my PC my choice will be to never use firefox if it cant be disabled.
Just like M$ wanting to charge a monthly fee for the windows blue OS and office its my choice to find better alternatives.
I think this is really more a push to html5 but you would have to ask Mozilla that question. I do see your point this will help safe guard users who don't know the web that well and that is a good thing but for the rest of us I want options not forced compliance. |
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