 MavenPremium
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Re: Mozilla will automatically disable all plug-ins in Firefox said by Selenia:Flash 11 on Debian Linux running like a champ on this laptop. Then again, I use Chromium(based on Chrome without the GoogleWare). 1080p videos are silky smooth on its somewhat lowly HD4200 graphics but fairly powerful cpu.
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 SeleniaI love DebianPremium
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kudos:2 | Got video acceleration. Requires kernel 3.2, Gallium3D(both in backports, gallium is built into the xserver update), and DRI2). You can get 2D with a stock install and "radeon" driver and a little 3D. This gives you 3D. For both scenarios, I needed the restricted firmware(stable is fine for "radeon" driver but backported version needed for Gallium3D to make hardware acceleration work with Open source drivers. Not sure if Flash acceleration was working with "radeon" as I only kept it for a bit and the Gallium3D does work with Flash acceleration. Word of warning, a bug with kde and the driver means you better use xrender mode to avoid corruption when going from full screen opengl to the desktop.
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said by therube:> If I lose NoScript and Adblock plus, then they will lose me.
Those are extensions, not plugins.
Though if they deemed it necessary, they could block those too, blocklist.xml.
Mozilla isn't blocking "extensions"? Did I mention plug-ins? Nope I mentioned add-ons or "extensions" whichever you prefer. Here's a direct link that siljaline had posted which I was referring to. Blocked
edit: I am extremely happy they are blocking plug-ins. I hate seeing some damned google updater plugin or Microsoft plug-in that I specifically didn't ask for.
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Well atleast I found a way to get around Click-to-Play so to speak. I just open Blocklist.xml and remove everything under the "Pluginitems" section.
As therube pointed out above with »kb.mozillazine.org/Blocklist.xml you can also turn off updating and enter the updates you want from the list online.
This is what Pro users like ourselves and Corporate customers using the ESR releases need to get around this and take back control. |
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Mele20Premium
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kudos:4 | reply to therube
said by therube:And in the end, for every "no you can't", well there is a way to "just say yes".
Apparently not so. At least not with Win 8.
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kudos:4 | reply to kickass69
Why don't you just disable blocklist in about:config?
extensions.blocklist.enabled;false
I have used the Proxomitron since 2002. It gives me a toggle switch for Flash, Java, etc. I love that because the last thing I want is Flash automatically playing some dumb video when I go to a site. So, I don't see the objection to "click to play". As I understand it, there is no "blocking". Mozilla is doing the same thing Proxo has always done....Mozilla is just very late to the party.  I don't use flash on Fx anymore though at all because of the two crap services connected to it that Mozilla has so badly designed that they have to run all the time for no reason.
My current concern is HTML5. Why is Mozilla not also making that click to play? They should.
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Randallstown, MD | reply to firefoxuser
> I did not ask for click-to-play
It can be disabled.
> I will say this if moz don't give us a way to fully disable this I will be uninstalling firefox
I'm sure plenty will feel likewise.
> I think this is really more a push to html5
That is a possibility, though I wouldn't expect that to be their reasons for wanting to do this. html5 will have (does have) its own issues.
So we need to stay apprised, see what's going on, see what their intentions are, & steer their decisions. |
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therube
join:2004-11-11
Randallstown, MD | reply to Mele20
> Apparently not so. At least not with Win 8.
You're speak of what, the OS itself? |
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kudos:4 | It's OT but briefly, as one example, Microsoft will not allow a user (even with full Admin rights and UAC disabled in the registry) to turn off Automatic Maintenance in Win 8. You can disable it, but it re-enables itself before its next every 24 hour scheduled maintenance).
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join:2003-03-03
Australia | reply to goalieskates
said by goalieskates:said by NOYB:
It may be your PC but it is their product to design and build anyway they please (see fit). If you don't like their product then don't use it.
Quite frankly the masses need this protection.
The masses do NOT need this protection. Your basic assumption (and that of FF) is that the masses are all stupid and won't listen if warned. It's a top down, we-are-the-experts mindset, much like DHS preaches, and really not that far from tyranny. Big Brother will decide. Even if they get it wrong, they will decide. The masses have shown that they are not computer literate and need a helping hand at every turn to keep their computer secure.
Further, flash is proprietary software, that inhibits the uptake of open standards like html video, so I'm not quite sure how you can equate blocking it to tyranny. If you want to run insecure software you still can. If you read the original blog post (»blog.mozilla.org/security/2013/0···plugins/) about this:
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Mozilla is changing the way Firefox loads third party plugins such as Flash, Java and Silverlight. This change will help increase Firefox performance and stability, and provide significant security benefits, while at the same time providing more control over plugins to our users.
Previously Firefox would automatically load any plugin requested by a website. Leveraging Click to Play Firefox will only load plugins when a user takes the action of clicking to make a particular plugin play or the user has previously configured Click To Play to always run plugins on the particular website.
No where does it say they are taking that choice away from you. |
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Mele20Premium
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kudos:4 | said by Khaine:Further, flash is proprietary software, that inhibits the uptake of open standards like html video, so I'm not quite sure how you can equate blocking it to tyranny. If you want to run insecure software you still can.
No where does it say they are taking that choice away from you.
Flash is NOT being blocked. Mozilla is being hypocritical. Why are they letting Flash run amok on Fx but not Java or Silverlight? I guess Adobe must have given Mozilla a lot of money. 
I'd far prefer complete and total blockage of Flash...no exceptions...it is a piece of garbage and let Java and Silverlight run as click to play.
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therube
join:2004-11-11
Randallstown, MD | Then don't install Flash, period.
Then disable Flash in Addons Manager.
Then block Flash - using click-to-play, using NoScript, using FlashBlock, or whatever other means fit your needs. |
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said by redwolfe_98:it is not going to be good if they block the 10.x version of flash player.. lots of people have problems with the 11.x version of flash player when using it with "firefox"..
look at what mozilla support says for solving problems with flash player.. over and over and over again they say the solution to all of the problems is to use the 10.x version of flash player:
»support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/ado···-crashed
i have only heard one person say that they didn't have problems with using the 11.x version of flash player with firefox, and i have to wonder if the reason is that that one person never tried using flash player to watch videos, where all they saw it used for was to generate a graphic on a webpage..
all versions of flash have issues w/ FF going back so far i can't remember........if one just hits the re-load ........from the browser reload.....it works fine.......i have my u-toob playlists running all day long........
»www.youtube.com/user/phoenixdoubledeuce
w/o issues........FF is a memory hog..........however
eventually you may experience a mem dump..........
granted...it could system and processor resources.........but itz not an issue w/my box.........i'm an update junkie........as well
a clean box runs better........guaranteed.......
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SeleniaI love DebianPremium
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kudos:2 | reply to Mele20
You are a bit behind the times, Mele20. While none of these runtimes are fool proof in exploits, Adobe took their previous failures seriously and got serious about plugging Flash. Seen how many updates they have had(even for Linux)? Some improved hardware acceleration but a good many of them addressed security issues. Adobe got its butt in gear(had to, to save its platform), now Oracle has to.
Mozilla just started doing this and Adobe has improved since they started doing it. I say the best way to approach the unknowledgeable with a screen that says they are disabled. Then give 2 choices: to be directed to update the plugin or disable further warnings(not recommended) with a link to info. It keeps the users freedom while giving the non-savvy warning to get off their butt and update their plugins.
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kudos:4 | A bit behind the times? How? I have always hated Flash from its inception. I think I still have a bookmark to an prophetic article about the dangers in Flash (not particularly security dangers either) from back around 1999-2000.
»www.nngroup.com/articles/flash-9···ent-bad/
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My plugins on OSX FF are Flash, Quicktime, Sharepoint, and Lync.
Sharepoint and Lync are needed for enterprise use. |
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SeleniaI love DebianPremium
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kudos:2 | reply to Mele20
said by Mele20:A bit behind the times? How? I have always hated Flash from its inception. I think I still have a bookmark to an prophetic article about the dangers in Flash (not particularly security dangers either) from back around 1999-2000.
»www.nngroup.com/articles/flash-9···ent-bad/
Because Flash is not near the security issue it once was. Adobe has made good strides there and Google even +1s them by sandboxing the plugin in Chrome. This was a first for Mozilla and Java is far more dangerous atm.
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| said by Selenia:... Flash is not near the security issue it once was. Adobe has made good strides there and Google even +1s them by sandboxing the plugin in Chrome. This was a first for Mozilla and Java is far more dangerous atm. It can be an ugly digital world out there. Any company producing software for the universe of Internet-facing computers has to be dead serious about security and software protection in a major way, or they will face extinction... it's a classic situation of 'go big or go home'. Adobe seems to be learning the lesson (though there may be some dissent on that), and there are now signs Oracle has finally awakened to the smell of smoke and is starting to focus resources on securing Java. Frankly, I have genuine hope for both of them to succeed in this... as I do for all software makers. But the sad reality seems to remain that only when a highly-publicized security mess occurs, will most companies grudgingly spend the resources to patch up their products that were flawed from inception.
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Mele20Premium
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kudos:4 | reply to Selenia
We are discussing Mozilla finally doing what Proxo has always done...give folks the freedom to decide whether or not to let a plugin run when a webpage is opened or instead have a toggle switch so the user can decide for themselves what happens. The issue is the same as allowing users to control cookies or forcing users to accept all cookies....willy-nilly. It is not a security issue as much as it is an issue of USER CONTROL and right to privacy and not being subjected to some crappy Flash movie unless they desire to see it. So, Flash is just as important, and actually probably more so, because Flash is on so many web pages and Java is not. Who wants some crappy, garbage Flash movie playing when you open a web page? Most users would prefer to choose if they wish to see the Flash movie.
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therube
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Randallstown, MD | reply to Smokey Bear
Have you ever opened your browser & out of the blue, you hear something? Music or what sounds like a news clip, something like that?
Or you've had your browser open & somewhere along the line, out of the blue, that happens.
(Really embarrassing when its a porn clip that starts playing  .)
Well that used to happen to me a lot (in particular the porn clips).
Though it has been a long time since anything like that has happened.
(No I did not stop watching porn  .)
But today, it did!
I had SeaMonkey open, with over 70 windows & over 1000 tabs. I had Chrome open, with one window & oh perhaps 20 tabs. And I had an old version of FF open with a couple windows & perhaps 10 tabs.
DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT TOOK ME TO FIND THE CLIP THAT WAS PLAYING!
I "knew" it was FF. Flipped through its tabs, didn't see anything suspect, but thought I just missed it. Closed FF.
It was not music to my ears, this clip, somewhere was still playing.
OK, SeaMonkey. But SeaMonkey does nothing without my say so. I've got NoScript installed, & Flash does not "just start working" on its own. Only if I were to actually "click to play" it. (Click-to-play may be new on FF, but ages old with NoScript.) It could not be coming from SeaMonkey, but then from where?
Chrome, I had totally forgotten about, having opened that much earlier today. Hadn't interacted with it in a good while. Ah, Chrome. So I start flipping through its tabs, & finally I find the offender, the page playing the (news, not porn, silly) clip.
All I can say is that I am glad that I have things like "click to play" available to me. (And then too things like the option to not [fully] load a page until that page has been given focus. IOW hundreds of pages that I might not visit in a particular session have not fully loaded, lessening demands on my system placed by my browser.)
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