 rfharThe World Sport, Played In Every CountryPremium join:2001-03-26 Buicktown,Mi | Windows 8's usage uptake falls further behind Vista's »www.computerworld.com/s/article/···cks=true
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 PeteC2Got Mouse?Premium,MVM join:2002-01-20 Bristol, CT kudos:6 Reviews:
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| Although I do think that Win 8 is somewhat of a "kludge" first effort at attempting to make Windows an "all-device" OS, an equal contributing factor is that the pace of hardware development and CPU changes have slowed noticeably in recent years.
Many Vista-equipped desktops and laptops are still relevant machines in terms of horse-power, storage space, etc., so that even though Vista was a bomb for MS, as long as it works, many folks with Vista machines are not just running out and getting new computers. -- Deeds, not words |
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 BlitzenZeusBurnt Out CynicPremium join:2000-01-13 kudos:2 | reply to rfhar Who didn't see this coming? It's been outright shunned, and Microsoft should have known better. |
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 BlitzenZeusBurnt Out CynicPremium join:2000-01-13 kudos:2 Reviews:
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| reply to PeteC2 Vista wasn't a bad os, and uac was a good idea for the average user who wasn't a complete moron, however most 3rd party software wasn't correctly written to use user account when unnecessarily needing admin privileges for bullcrap reasons when Vista was released. Even to this day some software is still poorly written, and while it's not a system utility, otherwise installer wants admin privileges for everyday use due to piss poor programming. Vista also wasn't accepting of antique computers either due mostly lack of driver support from 3rd parties which Microsoft had no control of, but could have delayed the release of the os to reduce this problem.
I wouldn't replace Vista with Win 8 either. -- I distrust those people who know so well what god wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires- Susan B. Anthony Yesterday we obeyed kings, and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to the truth- Kahlil G. |
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 HolmanGTPremium join:2001-11-20 Saint George, UT | reply to BlitzenZeus Amen brother BlitzenZeus.
Personally I feel like I have two different OSes On my laptop. One that seems functional and stable "DeskTop" and then the "Star Menu"... of which I won't go into my usual RANT about save to say it must have been designed by someone that is no longer employed by M$ (at least I hope so). |
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 MavenPremium join:2002-03-12 Canada | reply to rfhar Does that necessarily reflect poorly on Win8? Maybe computer sales are down. Few people will actually upgrade the OS on their existing systems.
I consider Win8 a minor upgrade over Win7. I certainly don't think the OS is bad simply because the start menu happens to be full screen. |
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 AlcoholPremium join:2003-05-26 Climax, MI kudos:3 Reviews:
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| People are overreacting because it's different. It happens everywhere. Even on this forum when Justin used to make changes people would freak out.
Everyones that complaining about windows 8 has only seen it and not used it.
I'll admit i didn't like win8 at first but it's very adaptable. I just never go into metro after initial boot. -- I found the key to success but somebody changed the lock. |
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 digitalfuturSees More Than ShownPremium join:2000-07-15 BurlingtonON kudos:2 | reply to rfhar 80% of OS sales are OEM, so with the fragmentation of the OS market in 2012 (tablet and smartphone web browsing were not present when Vista was launched), it' not really a surprise that Windows 8 uptake is slower than Vista. Even Apple desktop sales are declining, as are Windows deskstop sales.
Mobile devices now account for 12% of internet browsing, a trend, not a blip. That's the future, and where MS is with Windows 8. The real failure is a software company not having any presence in the mobile space, which is where MS was with Windows 7.
»netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=61 -- Logic requires one to deal with decisions that one's ego will not permit. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke. |
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 | reply to BlitzenZeus said by BlitzenZeus:Who didn't see this coming? It's been outright shunned, and Microsoft should have known better. Agreed 100%. It's a total disaster still unfolding. The more time goes by, the more apparent and obvious this will be.. even to those that keep desperately and blindly trying to defend it... |
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 jaaPremium join:2000-06-13 kudos:2 Reviews:
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| reply to rfhar I don't understand why they won't just "fix" it. I think 99% of the complaints would go away if:
1. They put the start button back on the desktop view 2. They gave you the option of starting in desktop or metro mode -- NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists. |
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 OZOPremium join:2003-01-17 kudos:2 | Perhaps they think that they have to move users into different (phone-based) environment. IMHO, it's wrong and a big mistake on their part. But anyway, it's definitely a push, not a honest mistake... -- Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself... |
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 jaaPremium join:2000-06-13 kudos:2 Reviews:
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| If that is their strategy - force this on the desktop environment so we will buy their phone because it looks the same - they are mistaken. -- NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists. |
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 BlitzenZeusBurnt Out CynicPremium join:2000-01-13 kudos:2 Reviews:
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| reply to Alcohol Everyone huh? I used it for over a week multiple times during beta, and it didn't get any better. Even setup a brand new Win 8 machine. It was a bad idea to force it on home pc users, and even those with touchscreens it was a bad idea to make all of the metro apps fullscreen on top of other issues.
If computer sales were so down why did Win 7 do so well also? It was clear businesses, and consumers avoided Vista for one reason or another. They extended xp for business customers, which many then jumped to Win 7, and pro even had a xp virtual machine for those who had to run legacy software. Metro is just another annoyance to IT admins, and home users. It's two gui with two separate rules which just isn't logically done. -- I distrust those people who know so well what god wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires- Susan B. Anthony Yesterday we obeyed kings, and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to the truth- Kahlil G. |
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| said by BlitzenZeus: It's two gui with two separate rules which just isn't logically done. I have to smile there. Bloated GUI was mentioned long before now for previous flavors of the O/S, I've just realised we need to redefine it. 
On a side note did they ever fix the Aero security issue? We now have twice as much GUI to exploit? -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
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 BlitzenZeusBurnt Out CynicPremium join:2000-01-13 kudos:2 | Aero was disabled in rtm. |
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| reply to BlitzenZeus said by BlitzenZeus:Vista wasn't a bad os, and uac was a good idea for the average user who wasn't a complete moron, however most 3rd party software wasn't correctly written to use user account when unnecessarily needing admin privileges for bullcrap reasons when Vista was released. If they keep changing the O/S, then 3rd party vendors are going to fall behind even more. Add money market issues and low finances I can imagine it will not get better. By the time 3rd party vendors get chance to keep up, the page will have changed again.
We end up with an O/S and it's toys designed internally due to outside companies dropping off more than they open. More cash flow for the O/S vendor, less cash flow for 3rd party vendors?
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 BlitzenZeusBurnt Out CynicPremium join:2000-01-13 kudos:2 | Xp has user accounts, these same companies were ignorantaly, and deliberately designing software that didn't work on user account in xp also. No excuse. |
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 AlcoholPremium join:2003-05-26 Climax, MI kudos:3 Reviews:
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| reply to BlitzenZeus said by BlitzenZeus:Everyone huh? I used it for over a week multiple times during beta, and it didn't get any better. What didn't get better? -- I found the key to success but somebody changed the lock. |
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 GemPremium join:2005-09-10 kudos:2 Reviews:
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| reply to jaa said by jaa:I don't understand why they won't just "fix" it. I think 99% of the complaints would go away if:
1. They put the start button back on the desktop view 2. They gave you the option of starting in desktop or metro mode You can do both of those things fairly easily with Classic Systems' "Classic Startup" utility.
I'm more concerned with other potential problems in the OS that some people have mentioned, but have not yet been encountered here.
For example, is there a problem with the ntfs file formats that W8 uses? |
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| reply to BlitzenZeus said by BlitzenZeus:Xp has user accounts, these same companies were ignorantaly, and deliberately designing software that didn't work on user account in xp also. No excuse. If that is the case and it is still the same companies and not different ones, I can't argue that point.
It certainly didn't help end-users and their security needing admin just to do play with the favorite software. I'm getting off topic though. -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
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