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Re: Windows 8's usage uptake falls further behind Vista's said by jaa:I don't understand why they won't just "fix" it. I think 99% of the complaints would go away if:
1. They put the start button back on the desktop view
2. They gave you the option of starting in desktop or metro mode
3. Unified the metro experience so that all metro apps behaved the same... and had print! It's silly that you can't print from the metro mail app. |
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 digitalfuturSees More Than ShownPremium
join:2000-07-15
BurlingtonON
kudos:2 | reply to jaa
They won't "fix" it because the desktop as it is today is eventually going to disappear. The vast majority of PC users don't use the Start Menu, they use desktop icons or favorites in the browser.
So when the desktop disappears, apps will be started from a launcher or using icons. All the functionality of the Start Menu can built into those replacements.
The reason for all of this is that market share and margins on desktops are declining in favor of mobile devices, including desktop replacements like the Windows Surface Pro.
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 HolmanGTPremium
join:2001-11-20
Saint George, UT | reply to urbanriot
Boy - urbanriot...
You just about sent me over the edge with the "can't print" in the Metro Mail.
It took me a little to find it but if you call up the "Jewels" (whatever) and click on "Devices" it list the printers. Select the printer and then it gives you a page with all the normal print options.
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RX300
join:2004-02-23
Bluff Dale, TX | reply to rfhar
A mouse and keyboard is what most PC users have used from the start and can't accept a change to anything different.
I started out with a teletype and punch tape and see the need for changes in user input.
In 5 years what will be the norm? In 10 years? |
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 BlitzenZeusBurnt Out CynicPremium
join:2000-01-13
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 ·Frontier FiOS
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I've used touchscreen devices, but my home computer has multiple large monitors. Due to their distance for optimal viewing, and their size, combine the crappy fullscreen only apps it's just a bad combination. Metro isn't friendly to multiple monitors either.
The interface was not refined enough to be released, but at least they did change it in beta that you can call up the metro start menu from any monitor, however they still don't like to have more than one metro app at the front at a time even if you have multiple monitors. Simply it's just poorly designed for the home computer, and based off the limitations of a device which usually has a single small screen.
It's called Windows, not Window. Running one program at a time is not multitasking.
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 OctaveanPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
kudos:1 | Well the Windows 8 user experience on multiple screens can be different depending on how the system is setup.
With a triple monitor setup using a GTX 670 and nVidia Surround the Start screen and New UI takes up all three screens, not just one. If you don't group the screens in Surround then that doesn't happen. I'm guessing the same is true of AMD Eyefinity,... |
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BlitzenZeusBurnt Out CynicPremium
join:2000-01-13
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·Frontier FiOS
| Each monitor is, and should be their own boundary by default. I can run a fullscreen game, or movie on one monitor while having other applications open on another. I also have a nvidia card, and have no wishes to make it one big spanned desktop where one metro app can take up all the monitors, even more of a waste of space.
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OctaveanPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
kudos:1 | By default each monitor seems to be an individual display.
One would have to group them together in order to have a spanned display group. This can be toggled on and off and is at the discretion of the user but it does effect how Windows 8 works on said displays,... |
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| reply to rfhar
That shouldn't come as a big surprise. The UI of Win8 on traditional PCs is so different that people have trouble using it, and this is especially true for people who had been using older versions. MS should've known this, but in their infinite wisdom they figured they can force people to learn and use a completely new interface, and that doesn't seem to go very well. They should've provided a several options for UI with one of them being Win 7 compatible.
IMHO, this is a real shame because the underlying OS is actually better than Win7, but that matters very little for people who don't buy it, or get frustrated with it.
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| said by aurgathor:IMHO, this is a real shame because the underlying OS is actually better than Win7, but that matters very little for people who don't buy it, or get frustrated with it.
What is better in Win8 comparing with Win7? I mean better in real-life scenarios, something like software development, design and similar (WORK related aspects)? I still don't get it. Except an attempt to push mobile OS + desktop OS as one bundle (literally earn more money by spending less), make people believe in BS "mobile revolution" so more useless devices are sold to Facebook generation I don't see a real value in Win8.
IMHO while money and profit (spend less (or close to nothing) == steal more) rule the world true innovations and creation of truly solid + usable products is just a fantasy. |
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art22ggPremium
join:2005-02-16
Courtenay, BC
kudos:5 | reply to rfhar
Some "good" spin from MS on win8???
Link...»ca.reuters.com/article/technolog···20130204 |
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 jaaPremium
join:2000-06-13
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·Optimum Online
 ·Vonage
| reply to BlitzenZeus
said by BlitzenZeus:I've used touchscreen devices, but my home computer has multiple large monitors. Due to their distance for optimal viewing, and their size, combine the crappy fullscreen only apps it's just a bad combination. Metro isn't friendly to multiple monitors either. MS just doesn't get it. A desktop computer with 4 monitors is not the same as a smartphone, and their one-size-fits-all UI is just going to be crap on one device or the other - or perhaps on both.
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said by Alcohol:People are overreacting because it's different. It happens everywhere. Even on this forum when Justin used to make changes people would freak out.
Everyone that complaining about windows 8 has only seen it and not used it.
I'll admit i didn't like win8 at first but it's very adaptable. I just never go into metro after initial boot.
I actually use the Metro apps about 50-60% of the time. There are some good apps in the Microsoft app store that I use frequently like the Bing apps, a basketball shooting app and the Netflix app (though it is not as good as the one on android [for that matter many of the metro apps aren't as good as as they are on other tablet OS's]). Bad and non-existent apps may be the ultimate downfall of Windows 8.
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said by digitalfutur:They won't "fix" it because the desktop as it is today is eventually going to disappear. The vast majority of PC users don't use the Start Menu, they use desktop icons or favorites in the browser.
So when the desktop disappears, apps will be started from a launcher or using icons. All the functionality of the Start Menu can built into those replacements.
The reason for all of this is that market share and margins on desktops are declining in favor of mobile devices, including desktop replacements like the Windows Surface Pro.
Tell that to developers and designers who need a PRECISION pointer to do their job. Did you try actually WORKING on a touch-screen BS "device" that "will take over the future"?  Touch screen is for "dicking around", not for work, unless you are a manager who like to feel "cool" while doing nothing productive, for example forcing OS into Metro interface.
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| reply to rfhar
Re: Windows 8's usage uptake falls further behind Vista's I think Microsoft is in a tough spot. They seemed to have completely missed the ball on portable devices (like phones and tablets) and are facing declining PC sales on two fronts (people keeping their computers longer due to better tech, and people using phones/tablets as replacements).
They really put their eggs into the portable device basket and ignored the bread and butter (PC's). On of the RC (RTM's) still had the option to keep it in desktop all the time and have a start menu.
I tried the Window's 8 RTM / RC's. It's easy enough to get used to the metro/desktop hybrid interface, but is it better? On the first page someone posted that because its new people should get used to it. My thinking is just because something is new, doesn't automatically make it better. I tried win8 and I prefer win7. I don't like full screen stuff. All I did with win8 was try to make it more like win7.
MS's best bet would of been to make Metro optional and give people the choice. In that way everyone would win and Microsoft wouldn't of alienated a big chunk of their user base.
Now with the 39.99 upgrades gone and win8 going full price, I think the adoption rate will slow down quicker.
My prediction. Windows 9 will make metro optional. MS usually rectifies big mistakes in their next version (hence why every other version seems pretty good). |
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said by sf_win7 :What is better in Win8 comparing with Win7? Win8 is faster, for one. May also be more stable, but I need some more experience to be certain about that.
Of course these aren't enough to mitigate the UI disaster, but give credit where it's due.
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 KramerPremium,Mod
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Richmond, VA
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said by BlitzenZeus:Vista wasn't a bad os, and uac was a good idea for the average user who wasn't a complete moron, however most 3rd party software wasn't correctly written to use user account when unnecessarily needing admin privileges for bullcrap reasons when Vista was released. Even to this day some software is still poorly written, and while it's not a system utility, otherwise installer wants admin privileges for everyday use due to piss poor programming. Vista also wasn't accepting of antique computers either due mostly lack of driver support from 3rd parties which Microsoft had no control of, but could have delayed the release of the os to reduce this problem.
I wouldn't replace Vista with Win 8 either.
Microsoft could have delayed Vista ten years and the 3rd parties would have waited eleven. Vista prepared us for Windows 7. By the time the OS (edit: Windows 7) came out most hardware and software vendors had come in line. I'd have no problem upgrading the lone machine I have running Vista to WIN8 if I thought the machine would benefit. It is barely running Vista adequately. I really don't have a problem with Windows 8. I never see Metro and I have an operating system that has had some significant improvements over the earlier version. Businesses on the other hand are not going to adopt Windows 8, until Microsoft changes it. The consumers I have dealt with (that is a fairly small number close to but not over two figures) pretty much hate it, until you install something like Classicshell and let them deal with Metro in their free time, if at all. I've ordered close to $30,000 worth of computers since early December and not one of them was ordered with Windows 8 on it with one exception... I bought my daughter a $500 laptop at Best Buy and it came with it. |
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said by aurgathor:said by sf_win7 :What is better in Win8 comparing with Win7? Win8 is faster, for one. May also be more stable, but I need some more experience to be certain about that. Of course these aren't enough to mitigate the UI disaster, but give credit where it's due. There are tons of major improvements in Windows 8. I mentioned them here, but there are a lot more. »Re: [WIN8] Windows 8 - best to pass it up: review Read more: ht The UI is fixable for almost anyone who reads these threads. Fixable may be too strong a word. Adjustable may be more appropriate. It is just a shame it takes a third party to make that happen. |
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