 OctaveanPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-31
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Re: Windows 8's usage uptake falls further behind Vista's said by zod5000:Now with the 39.99 upgrades gone and win8 going full price, I think the adoption rate will slow down quicker.
My prediction. Windows 9 will make metro optional. MS usually rectifies big mistakes in their next version (hence why every other version seems pretty good).
If I recall correctly the Windows 7 family pack showed up some time after a promotional period. So there may still be some opportunities to buy Windows 8 at a lower price at an unspecifide later date. You make a good point though. Some people may take advantage of a relatively low price but full price is another story.
As for "Windows 9" as you put it, there have been some indications that Windows will move to a faster paced annual update cycle. That means there may be three updates within the traditional timeframe of a big OS upgrade. While I have heard there will be interface changes I have yet to hear about the return of the start button.
If I were to guess I would expect MS to offer the "option" of making the Start Screen look and act a little more like a traditional Start menu but with live tiles. Maybe sizable New UI apps options and better multitasking for New UI apps. I don't expect a huge departure from their current direction though,.... |
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said by Kramer:There are tons of major improvements in Windows 8. I mentioned them here, but there are a lot more. »Re: [WIN8] Windows 8 - best to pass it up: review Read more: ht The UI is fixable for almost anyone who reads these threads. Fixable may be too strong a word. Adjustable may be more appropriate. It is just a shame it takes a third party to make that happen.
Something that bothers me there. I know beta testing preferred none of the bells and whistles initially provided by third parties, skins especially.
While 90% of people won't work that way, functionality for some may change that ratio.
Then other companies testing for new software becomes harder for it too. Hence everything becomes harder to get right for developers.
The KISS principle rears it's head in a discussion again. Long lost to the past somewhere.
/Just a thought.
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said by digitalfutur:They won't "fix" it because the desktop as it is today is eventually going to disappear. The vast majority of PC users don't use the Start Menu, they use desktop icons or favorites in the browser. Back that statement about "the vast majority" up, please? Because I don't think you have a clue on that. |
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 BlitzenZeusBurnt Out CynicPremium
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Re: Windows 8's usage uptake falls further behind Vista's I don't feel it's a good example to throw money at something which was not designed well. If people bought Win 8, and fixed the ui Microsoft still might think it's a success never to actually have to learn from their mistake which they were repeated told was a problem during the beta. This is what they get for not listening to the people who buy their products.
Metro should have just been like another shell for the desktop, or simply something like media center which also again didn't always have to be run as fullscreen, with metro apps also not being forced fullscreen. Crappy fullscreen apps on large monitors are not where it's at. For a portable device with limited computing power maybe, but not the desktop.
I'd rather load a ubuntu vm, and play it's built in games than load those fullscreen metro monstrosities.
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 J E F FWhatta Ya Think About Dat?Premium
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said by Alcohol:People are overreacting because it's different. It happens everywhere. Even on this forum when Justin used to make changes people would freak out.
Everyones that complaining about windows 8 has only seen it and not used it.
I'll admit i didn't like win8 at first but it's very adaptable. I just never go into metro after initial boot. Contradiction, IMHO. The reason why people don't like Windows 8 is because of Metro. It's meant for a touchscreen, and really, for a tablet. Windows XP Pro and Windows 7 are very good OS's.
I have bootcamp on my MacBook, it's running Windows 8. Rarely use it. Although it seems to have very, very good power management.
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OZOPremium
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said by BlitzenZeus:I don't feel it's a good example to throw money at something which was not designed well. If people bought Win 8, and fixed the ui Microsoft still might think it's a success never to actually have to learn from their mistake which they were repeated told was a problem during the beta. This is what they get for not listening to the people who buy their products. Concur. They've started not listening to people with pushing ribbon in their Office products. And a result, people start looking for a third party products, that remove the ribbon... That lesson was just wasted, as we see it now.
Metro should have just been like another shell for the desktop, or simply something like media center which also again didn't always have to be run as fullscreen, with metro apps also not being forced fullscreen. Crappy fullscreen apps on large monitors are not where it's at. For a portable device with limited computing power maybe, but not the desktop.
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BlitzenZeusBurnt Out CynicPremium
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A pet peeve is still how you must use the metro control panel to make new user accounts, and then use the desktop control panel to make those users into an administrator, that's just poor design. Due to the possibility of your only administrator account getting corrupted I always have two.
It would be easy to fix this new ui to please the majority.
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kudos:2 | Yes, it would be. But the company is managed by a Big Bull now. Thus I expect no change at all, until shareholders finally realize and fix it... 
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said by OZO:Or it could be just a program, that runs in common desktop, shows those tiles inside its window and run apps within that frame too... One may call it "My Phone Apps". And if it's desired, double click on its title and run it full screen...
When I read that, I think of the Windows Vista and Windows 7 "Gadgets". They were, as far as I could tell, "Live Tiles" that would update on a set schedule. If you clicked on it, it took you to a web page where you could see more information.
I loved the Weather Gadget that came with Windows 7. It sat in the top right corner of my desktop, and it told me exactly what I needed to know. If I wanted a bit more information (5 day outlook, radar, info for a different city, etc), all I had to do was click on it, and it took me to a web page where all that and more was available to me.
Makes me wonder why they dumped "Windows Gadgets" and went with "Live tiles" instead, as to me, they appear to be one in the same.
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kudos:2 | They actually thought people would look at that acid trip of a metro start menu, and not a desktop with a nice wallpaper. There's also no option to put a wallpaper on the metro start screen to make it nicer. |
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Walk around any office and see how many people use the Start Menu. The larger the company, the less likely that the Start Menu will ever be used. The average user runs their PC from the desktop using icons or uses favorites in their browser. And in case anyone think that the decline in desktop sales, including Apple's is a blip, it isn't. » www.businessinsider.com/chart-of···h-2011-5» www.extremetech.com/computing/14···rst-timeIn the next few years, the desktop PC will be replaced by full function/full power tablets like the Windows Surface Pro, which can be hooked up to a monitor and external keyboard for a user experience just like a desktop. People will pay more for the smaller form factor and the portability, just as they have for laptops before for the same reason. The transition to mobile devices is as sure as the replacement of CRT TVs was by flat screens. Any tech company with a minimal or no presence in the mobile space will soon be out of business. That's why the Start Menu isn't coming back, why the desktop as it exists today is going away, and why an integrated OS across all platforms is the correct strategy. Apple will soon have to adopt the same strategy as Microsoft, or it will have to get out of the desktop business altogether. Companies won't stay in markets with declining market share and especially not in products with very low margins, which is where the desktop market is today. --
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join:2001-06-05
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kudos:4 | If true, then this would be my last computer as I have zero interest in dragging a computer around with me. I use a computer at home. I have zero interest in a tablet or laptop at home either. They will never have the power or versatility of a desktop. Plus, some folks game on a computer and you sure as heck can't do that well on anything other than a powerful desktop.
I would prefer NO computer to some crap piece of shit laptop or tablet.
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said by digitalfutur:Walk around any office and see how many people use the Start Menu. The larger the company, the less likely that the Start Menu will ever be used. The average user runs their PC from the desktop using icons or uses favorites in their browser. Not true. And since I work in tech, I walk around a lot of companies in a lot of places, large and small.
So again - justify this statement. I don't mind you making predictions, predictions are fun, but your basic premise is flawed which makes hay of your conclusion presented as fact. |
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OctaveanPremium,MVM
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New York, NY
kudos:1 | reply to digitalfutur
I agree with much of what you said.
I've been predicting for some time now that Intel will shift their priorities to Processor efficiency to combat the ARM initiative in the mobile space (smart phones / tablets). This is also in part due to poor competition from AMD in performance space.
However, using your CRT to flat screen analogy, I'll point out that I bought my first HDTV, a Viewsonic 32", in early 2006 which was about ~$1000 then:
»ViewSonic N2750w 27" or N3250w 32" 16:9 8ms HD LCD
Today a 32" HDTV would probably cost about ~$300 or possibly less. For the same ~$1000 today a 60" HDTV could be had. I guess what I am trying to say here is that there can still be progress and value even after such a transition.
I also don't think the desktop PC will totally go away but prices may go up and there will be less variety.
Expandability and performance may be found in the mobile space. |
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i dont understand what the problem is with Windows 8.
It works great for me, of course i dont mind change and learning new things. I very rarely (if at all) see the dreaded start screen in my day to day usage. I have shortcuts to my most used programs on my desktop, the others are a quick search or few clicks away.
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said by digitalfutur:In the next few years, the desktop PC will be replaced by full function/full power tablets like the Windows Surface Pro, which can be hooked up to a monitor and external keyboard for a user experience just like a desktop. People will pay more for the smaller form factor and the portability, just as they have for laptops before for the same reason. The transition to mobile devices is as sure as the replacement of CRT TVs was by flat screens.
I think PC sales will decline but not go extinct. The same reason laptops never fully replaced PC's. People still want to surf the internet, do their homework and use a full sized computer screen while at home. PC upgrades might be few and far between (as they are pretty powerful these days) but I think they'll still be in homes.
I find portable devices are great, but the screen sizes are so small. Tablets/Phones are great when your away from the PC, but give me a 24" screen with mouse/keyboard any day 
I guess my opinion is that all of these devices will augment each other. |
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 dellsweigExtreme AerobaticsPremium,MVM
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| said by zod5000:said by digitalfutur:In the next few years, the desktop PC will be replaced by full function/full power tablets like the Windows Surface Pro, which can be hooked up to a monitor and external keyboard for a user experience just like a desktop. People will pay more for the smaller form factor and the portability, just as they have for laptops before for the same reason. The transition to mobile devices is as sure as the replacement of CRT TVs was by flat screens.
I think PC sales will decline but not go extinct. The same reason laptops never fully replaced PC's. People still want to surf the internet, do their homework and use a full sized computer screen while at home. PC upgrades might be few and far between (as they are pretty powerful these days) but I think they'll still be in homes. I find portable devices are great, but the screen sizes are so small. Tablets/Phones are great when your away from the PC, but give me a 24" screen with mouse/keyboard any day I guess my opinion is that all of these devices will augment each other. You touched a KEY point here - how these devices will interact....
I would be VERY happy if my Imac would simply detect the presence of my Ipad on my desk and give me some kind of access - whether its to data/files, an Ipad desktop or simply access to the apps. I dont mean 'cloud' integrations either.
Whatever the folks that design this stuff come up with - it has to be seamless and not impact the functionality (or try to replace the functionality) of the individual devices.
Who-ever gets this right will have a winner on their hands..
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OctaveanPremium,MVM
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kudos:1 | reply to zod5000
said by zod5000:said by digitalfutur:In the next few years, the desktop PC will be replaced by full function/full power tablets like the Windows Surface Pro, which can be hooked up to a monitor and external keyboard for a user experience just like a desktop. People will pay more for the smaller form factor and the portability, just as they have for laptops before for the same reason. The transition to mobile devices is as sure as the replacement of CRT TVs was by flat screens.
I think PC sales will decline but not go extinct. The same reason laptops never fully replaced PC's. People still want to surf the internet, do their homework and use a full sized computer screen while at home. PC upgrades might be few and far between (as they are pretty powerful these days) but I think they'll still be in homes. I find portable devices are great, but the screen sizes are so small. Tablets/Phones are great when your away from the PC, but give me a 24" screen with mouse/keyboard any day I guess my opinion is that all of these devices will augment each other. One could always doc a laptop to have access to traditional desktop components such as a monitor, keyboard, external HDD and maybe even things like full desktop PCIe video cards via Thunderbolt,....
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join:2004-07-08
united state | I don't think Desktops will just disappear....
The hardware in Desktops will ALWAYS be superior for 2 reasons:
1. More room for better and bigger hardware.
2. More room for better and efficient cooling.
With a high end gaming laptop, you would be lucky to get a steady 25 FPS. I would love to see someone try to play Crysis 3 on a tablet. Even a really high end gaming laptop will most likely be brought to its knees on high settings. In fact, I figure two 7970's in CrossfireX or an Nvidia SLI equavilent will be required to run that game on all settings maxed at playable frame rates @1080p
Yes there is a difference between 30 fps and 60 fps to the human eye. I can notice it, and im sure other PC gamers notice it to. Console graphics look like garbage after playing the same game on a real PC.
As for cooling....compiling huge amounts of code that peg a 4 core, even an 8 core CPU at 100% for extended periods of time are going to cause tablets, and some laptops, some serious issues with heat. These systems were not designed for that kind of heavy lifting.
Will mobile device get more popular? sure they will. Will they be the right tool in every instance? no. Will PC go away? not a chance.
in fact, I bet online part retailers like Newegg and others won't miss a beat...in fact they may gain even more business. Steam sales i do beleive are at an all time high and they cater to the PC gaming crowd. PC's are far from dead folks |
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