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resa1983
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reply to JohnDohnut

Re: Voltage Versus Teksavvy, Round 2 Continued

said by JohnDohnut :

said by hm :

Now that both Voltage and CIPPIC replied,

Voltage has replied ?
Where, when ?

Voltage objected to CIPPIC's intervention. CIPPIC responded to the objection.

»www.teksavvy.com/en/why-teksavvy···ormation

Newer stuff at the top, older stuff at the bottom.

Voltage's response is 1 of 2 and 1 of 2
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Gorgonzola

@videotron.ca

So any news this week?

I believe this is now week 3 since voltage complained to the court that there are still TSI IP's that must stop sharing because of the great financial harm they are creating by this "commercial distribution".

TSI was order to send the notice out upon receipt of the Voltage draft.

So.. um.. have these voltage vultures given TSI a draft yet? Anyone know?

Has the new Email gone out yet?

Marc, any news on anything?


resa1983
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I posted an update in the TSI thread, but I'll repost here:

On Monday, the case was released to have CIPPIC's motion to intervene decided. No clue as to time frame.

Yesterday Judge Mandamin (the judge who recommended a 1 day special hearing for hearing the evidence), wrapped up a major case - most likely the major case he stated he thought would get in the way of him being able to take over the Voltage case.

Its very possible that now that Judge Mandamin's case is resolved, he will take over the Voltage case.

I assume there's still no email out, as frankly they want people sharing it - more people to sue.
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Gorgonzola

@videotron.ca

said by resa1983:

I assume there's still no email out, as frankly they want people sharing it - more people to sue.

If there's no Email by tomorrow then CIPPIC is going to have call bullshit on voltage. As well as TSI's lawyers.

3 weeks is more than enough.


TwiztedZero
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Plus theres this : Distributel is now FIGHTING the court order to disclose their customer information!

So I guess theres more action afoot - On other fronts.


bullwinkle

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And south of the border...

"IP Address Snapshots Not Sufficient Evidence To File Infringement Suit; Prenda Lawyer Faces Sanctions... In a lengthy order that reads more like a smackdown, Wright attacks Gibb's abuse of the legal system and thoroughly dismantles his so-called "business model.""

»www.techdirt.com/articles/201302···ns.shtml



hm

@videotron.ca

said by bullwinkle:

And south of the border...

"IP Address Snapshots Not Sufficient Evidence To File Infringement Suit; Prenda Lawyer Faces Sanctions... In a lengthy order that reads more like a smackdown, Wright attacks Gibb's abuse of the legal system and thoroughly dismantles his so-called "business model.""

»www.techdirt.com/articles/201302···ns.shtml

That's quite a nice analogy the judge makes.

This snapshot allegedly shows that the Defendants were downloading the copyrighted work—at least at that moment in time. But downloading a large file like a video takes time; and depending on a user’s Internet-connection speed, it may take a long time. In fact, it may take so long that the user may have terminated the download. The user may have also terminated the download for other reasons. To allege copyright infringement based on an IP snapshot is akin to alleging theft based on a single surveillance camera shot: a photo of a child reaching for candy from a display does not automatically mean he stole it. No Court would allow a lawsuit to be filed based on that amount of evidence... ....


hm

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reply to Gorgonzola

said by Gorgonzola :

So any news this week?

I believe this is now week 3 since voltage complained to the court that there are still TSI IP's that must stop sharing because of the great financial harm they are creating by this "commercial distribution".



Marc, I believe this now makes it one month.

Any news at all?

Get the draft yet to send to people?


TSI Marc
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Still no draft.



hm

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:/

Ty For the reply Marc..


resa1983
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reply to TSI Marc

said by TSI Marc:

Still no draft.

Not surprising. We all know they don't want people to stop sharing, cuz it means they might be able to sue more people.

That would be a good thing to bring up during the next hearing.. lol.
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hm

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said by resa1983:

That would be a good thing to bring up during the next hearing.. lol.

OoOoOhH I'm sure they will.
heh
It shows volumes.


TSI Marc
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We highlighted similar behavior in court last time... I.e. they could have asked for this at any time since the beginning..
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resa1983
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said by TSI Marc:

We highlighted similar behavior in court last time... I.e. they could have asked for this at any time since the beginning..

Especially considering they wrote the original letter that went out to customers.. They could have added it to that.
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TSI Marc
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Exactly!



hm

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reply to TSI Marc

Yup. I recall the lawyer bringing that up. Think he even raised his voice at them if I recall right.

Yet, they continue to not bother...



hm

@videotron.ca

The link/PDF:

CIPPIC Intervenor Status Granted
»www.teksavvy.com/Media/Default/C···nted.PDF



hm

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reply to hm

It should also be noted, since Teksavvy submitted their costs *to date*, American lobby groups are now attacking Canada for their statutory damages being to low (5,000$).

»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6784/125/

Coincidence? I think not.


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said by hm :

It should also be noted, since Teksavvy submitted their costs *to date*, American lobby groups are now attacking Canada for their statutory damages being to low (5,000$).

»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6784/125/

Coincidence? I think not.

wow lol


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reply to hm

said by hm :

It should also be noted, since Teksavvy submitted their costs *to date*, American lobby groups are now attacking Canada for their statutory damages being to low (5,000$).

»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6784/125/

Coincidence? I think not.

That goes to show it is not about protecting copyrights but all about the money. It should be noted that they have not been very successful recently in recovering the big $ they seek in US courts either.
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hm

@videotron.ca

An Aussie economist put out a paper a couple of years ago showing that it's only a money funnel system to the USA.



hm

@videotron.ca

So What's going to happen now?

Does CIPPIC have to draft and submit what it plans to examine?

Or do they wait for a judge to pick it up and it hit court right away?

What is to happen now?
When?

Any other info besides this latest news?



hm

@videotron.ca
reply to TSI Marc

Marc,

During the last court hearing your lawyer brought up the fact that (I'm paraphrasing), Voltage dropped their lawsuits in Quebec against people, stating they only intended to send the extortion letters.

Voltages lawyer turned around and claimed they did not and wanted to know where he heard that.

Your lawyer stated it was in the press.

Voltages lawyer never replied on the subject again at the hearing.

So my Question:

Do you, or your lawyers, or CIPPIC know the status of the Quebec lawsuits? Was it indeed dropped?

I seem to recall this as well. Pretty sure it would have been in this topic with a link, if it were true (the one where I found one of the IP's belong to the Montreal Canadians): »Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada, but, a quick look shows nothing, unless I missed it in that books of comments.

Any info on that one? Or any ref to the press release and/or media story your lawyer referred to?


resa1983
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This is about the confirmation of the settlements:

»www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/11/29···810.html

Someone from Voltage or the lawyer's office blabbed to Huffington Post.

As for Voltage's Quebec lawsuit, here's the docket, translated to English:
»translate.google.com/translate?h···-1373-11

These are the main points though:
Aug 24, 2011: Filed
Aug 29, 2011: First hearing - court granted order for subscriber info release
Oct 4, 2011: Order from the court to file a schedule for the upcoming lawsuit, in by Nov 4, 2011
Nov 4, 2011: Plaintiff files schedule as ordered.
Nov 18, 2011: Court orders plaintiff stick to their own schedule, and name defendants, and give progress report on Dec 16, 2011
Dec 16, 2011: Plaintiff asks for more time
Dec 28, 2011: Court grants more time - has til Mar 2, 2012
Mar 5, 2012: Plaintiff tells court they're waiting for directions from client.
Mar 28, 2012: Plaintiff withdraws lawsuit.
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hm

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said by resa1983:

Mar 28, 2012: Plaintiff withdraws lawsuit.

TY!. Didn't see that.

So now I wonder, why did the Voltage lawyer bitch back at Teksavvys lawyer about this?

resa1983
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said by hm :

said by resa1983:

Mar 28, 2012: Plaintiff withdraws lawsuit.

TY!. Didn't see that.

So now I wonder, why did the Voltage lawyer bitch back at Teksavvys lawyer about this?

Either they (Voltage's laweyers) didn't know about the settlements, or didn't think TSI had the previous Voltage court docket in front of them to prove to the judge right then that the previous case went nowhere.
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hm

@videotron.ca

I hope TSI's lawyers are looking into seeing if there are any Voltage assets in Canada.

Or at the next hearing (which may or may not occur) demand payment due to their hit & run style.



random

@teksavvy.com

If Voltage don't pay up, Distributel and any future victim ISP in Canada could invite them to their court hearing as witness.

Expand your moderator at work

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reply to random

Re: Voltage Versus Teksavvy, Round 2 Continued

I just found funny, there are no mentioning of this decision on the »copyrightenforcement.ca website and it seems they also don't allow people comment anymore either.

I wonder why...... hmm..