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Annex

join:2007-11-21
Kitchener, ON

[Cable] Teksavvy Cable vs Rogers/Start

So while ive known for some time that Rogers cable plans offer faster speeds, specifically upload speeds, I thought that all resellers were capped at 1Mbit uploads. So today I discovered Start from London offering cable speeds all the way up to 45/4. How is it that they can offer uploads up to 4Mbit but Teksavvy is at 1Mbit max? Do they somehow have their own infrastructure that doesnt piggyback off of Rogers?



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»CNOC speed matching decision due next week


stevey_frac

join:2009-12-09
Cambridge, ON
Reviews:
·TekSavvy Cable
reply to Annex

They both use Rogers last mile. The difference is that Teksavvy is using non-aggregated model and Start is using aggregated model.

Teksavvy is moving to aggregated,with the first POI lighting up inside of two months. Probably less. Once Teksavvy has switched to the aggregated model for your POI, they will be offering the same speeds that Start.ca does.

--Steve


Annex

join:2007-11-21
Kitchener, ON

So is there any ETA on when Kitchener/Waterloo will get these POI upgrades?


stevey_frac

join:2009-12-09
Cambridge, ON
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·TekSavvy Cable
reply to Annex

Presently, we don't have a firm deadline. Some of us are hoping that Marc will give us an idea of the order that POI's will be switched over. There are 20 to switch, and I can't imagine they'll do more than one at once, so it could be some time.

For sure, they have to have everything switched over before November of this year, or risk getting cut off by Rogers, so worst case, everything will be switched over in the next 10 months.

--Steve



TwiztedZero
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reply to Annex

If you look elsewheres here on the forum's you'll see that TekSavvy is on the road to going Aggreated, so all those fantastical speeds that we haven't had yet are on the way
See Here: The Comming Future things are looking up
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Annex

join:2007-11-21
Kitchener, ON

said by TwiztedZero:

If you look elsewheres here on the forum's you'll see that TekSavvy is on the road to going Aggreated, so all those fantastical speeds that we haven't had yet are on the way
See Here: The Comming Future things are looking up

Thanks for that, most informative

mikee

join:2012-12-21
Gloucester, ON
reply to Annex

so when teksavvy changes poi for where you normally connect to will your speeds be upgraded automatically? or will they change everyone to the new speeds at the same time? anyone know how it works.

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jmck
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join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON
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reply to mikee

Re: [Cable] Teksavvy Cable vs Rogers/Start

said by mikee:

so when teksavvy changes poi for where you normally connect to will your speeds be upgraded automatically? or will they change everyone to the new speeds at the same time? anyone know how it works.

if it's anything like other TPIAs, the customer or TSI will have to make a request for the new profile/speed.


Optional

join:2012-02-26
Mississauga, ON
Reviews:
·TekSavvy Cable
reply to Annex

What is this bollocks? Is our country seriously this backwards when it comes to communication? I'm pretty sure my cellphones wireless network has 5x's the upload that I do.

My fiancee and I agreed that she'd move up here (she's an american).. I may have to bring that discussion up again.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but we're only seeing download speed increases right? This shit makes me so irritated.



squircle

join:2009-06-23
Oakville, ON

This is me correcting you because you're wrong: upload speeds are going up too. It's all outlined in this thread (page 10-ish if I remember correctly): »CNOC speed matching decision due next week


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to Optional

said by Optional:

I'm pretty sure my cellphones wireless network has 5x's the upload that I do.

But with a cap that makes it pretty much useless.

resa1983
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join:2008-03-10
North York, ON
kudos:10
reply to squircle

said by squircle:

This is me correcting you because you're wrong: upload speeds are going up too. It's all outlined in this thread (page 10-ish if I remember correctly): »CNOC speed matching decision due next week

CRTC is also forcing Rogers to provide 45/7 to TPIA in upgraded areas, instead of the mere 45/4 they were trying to get away with doing.
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mikee

join:2012-12-21
Gloucester, ON

I sent an email to start the other day asking about the 45/7 and the girl replied saying that they don't have that offer up for anyone. Do you know when rogers will be forced to give everyone 7 upload when its availible in the selected areas?

"We are only able to provide up to 4Mbps upload with our Pro cable package. We are not offering any packages with the 7Mbps upload speed that you mentioned."

She told me this^


resa1983
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North York, ON
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said by mikee:

I sent an email to start the other day asking about the 45/7 and the girl replied saying that they don't have that offer up for anyone. Do you know when rogers will be forced to give everyone 7 upload when its availible in the selected areas?

"We are only able to provide up to 4Mbps upload with our Pro cable package. We are not offering any packages with the 7Mbps upload speed that you mentioned."

She told me this^

It was just ordered on Thursday. Rogers has to refile their tariff within 30 days of last thurs, and then aggregated TPIAs like Start can offer it.
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yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4

said by resa1983:

said by mikee:

I sent an email to start the other day asking about the 45/7 and the girl replied saying that they don't have that offer up for anyone. Do you know when rogers will be forced to give everyone 7 upload when its availible in the selected areas?

"We are only able to provide up to 4Mbps upload with our Pro cable package. We are not offering any packages with the 7Mbps upload speed that you mentioned."

She told me this^

It was just ordered on Thursday. Rogers has to refile their tariff within 30 days of last thurs, and then aggregated TPIAs like Start can offer it.

Interesting. Rogers reps have been unable to offer their customer higher upstream tiers, because many have been too lazy to read their knowledgebase material. It will be interesting if TPIAs can offer it to their customers with greater ease.


Optional

join:2012-02-26
Mississauga, ON
Reviews:
·TekSavvy Cable
reply to Annex

said by squircle:

This is me correcting you because you're wrong: upload speeds are going up too. It's all outlined in this thread (page 10-ish if I remember correctly): »CNOC speed matching decision due next week

I'm counting the minutes..you have no idea..

For my work we all use google docs.. when I'm uploading stuff my internet is just GARBAGE. It's a lost cause trying to convince my work to use dropbox because of the sheer undertaking of transferring it all, and I'm just a regular employee , but at least dropbox has an upload limiter.

Google Drive just pumps it out as fast as your upload can go, and when I'm uploading 20gb+ raw unedited video files, which I have to do some of the time it takes forEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER.


Dones

join:2008-02-14
Toronto, ON

Not forever, around two days if you don't touch your internet. If Teksavvy can offer 45/7 then I'll be happy.


resa1983
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join:2008-03-10
North York, ON
kudos:10
reply to yyzlhr

said by yyzlhr:

said by resa1983:

said by mikee:

I sent an email to start the other day asking about the 45/7 and the girl replied saying that they don't have that offer up for anyone. Do you know when rogers will be forced to give everyone 7 upload when its availible in the selected areas?

"We are only able to provide up to 4Mbps upload with our Pro cable package. We are not offering any packages with the 7Mbps upload speed that you mentioned."

She told me this^

It was just ordered on Thursday. Rogers has to refile their tariff within 30 days of last thurs, and then aggregated TPIAs like Start can offer it.

Interesting. Rogers reps have been unable to offer their customer higher upstream tiers, because many have been too lazy to read their knowledgebase material. It will be interesting if TPIAs can offer it to their customers with greater ease.

Oh I know.. I was on the phone 45 minutes with the person I got my info from that I submitted to the CRTC, finding out if it was available in my area, and that's with telling her exactly what to look for in the product code.
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elitefx

join:2011-02-14
London, ON
kudos:2

These ISPs dole out the internet like it's Crack Cocaine. What's the difference between 25/2, 35/3 and 45/4 to a provider? Nothing, that's what.

If the thieves had any class at all they'd give you the best they currently had at a decent price:

Lite=45/4
Standard= 150/10

Rogers has set a fine example with their street corner drug pusher mentality. Get 'em hooked then bleed 'em dry.


Annex

join:2007-11-21
Kitchener, ON
reply to Optional

said by Optional:

said by squircle:

This is me correcting you because you're wrong: upload speeds are going up too. It's all outlined in this thread (page 10-ish if I remember correctly): »CNOC speed matching decision due next week

I'm counting the minutes..you have no idea..

For my work we all use google docs.. when I'm uploading stuff my internet is just GARBAGE. It's a lost cause trying to convince my work to use dropbox because of the sheer undertaking of transferring it all, and I'm just a regular employee , but at least dropbox has an upload limiter.

Google Drive just pumps it out as fast as your upload can go, and when I'm uploading 20gb+ raw unedited video files, which I have to do some of the time it takes forEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER.

Setup QoS on a good router. I did that to prevent outgoing email (family likes to send lots of picture attachments) from choking my internet. Essentially my main computer gets High priority and everyone else gets Low so my traffic is always prioritized. That said, 1Mbit outbound is a joke by todays standards and im dying to get 4 or 7 outbound.

resa1983
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At this point, I'd be ecstatic with 3.
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jasmo34

join:2008-03-20
London, ON
reply to resa1983

said by resa1983:

CRTC is also forcing Rogers to provide 45/7 to TPIA in upgraded areas, instead of the mere 45/4 they were trying to get away with doing.

Will that only be One new tier, at 45/7? Or might 7M Upload become an option available to other DL speeds too?

resa1983
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join:2008-03-10
North York, ON
kudos:10

said by jasmo34:

said by resa1983:

CRTC is also forcing Rogers to provide 45/7 to TPIA in upgraded areas, instead of the mere 45/4 they were trying to get away with doing.

Will that only be One new tier, at 45/7? Or might 7M Upload become an option available to other DL speeds too?

Depends on how Rogers tariffs it.

They could tariff 45/7, or they could tariff the 7mbps upload as an addon to a package for x amount. *shrug*
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jasmo34

join:2008-03-20
London, ON
reply to resa1983

Re: [Cable] Teksavvy Cable vs Rogers/Start

said by resa1983:

Depends on how Rogers tariffs it.
They could tariff 45/7, or they could tariff the 7mbps upload as an addon to a package for x amount. *shrug*

If they make it a stand-alone option, let's hope it ends up more practical than Bell's 7M and 10M FTTN Upload options!


TwiztedZero
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I'm wondering though what the actual sustained up and down speed/rate will be on the new packages that are comming up.

Its one thing for a speedtest and another for a sustained down/up load with bigger files.


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

said by TwiztedZero:

I'm wondering though what the actual sustained up and down speed/rate will be on the new packages that are comming up.

Consumer connections never have any kind of guarantee of the sustained throughput.


Davesnothere
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reply to TwiztedZero

said by TwiztedZero:

If you look elsewheres here on the forum's you'll see that TekSavvy is on the [ ♫ ♬ Long and Winding Road ♫ ♬ ] to going Aggregated....

 
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