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MaynardKrebs
Heave Steve, for the good of the country
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An incumbent that actually lowers prices

BT cuts the price of high speed broadband
»www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new···roadband

UK INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER (ISP) BT is rolling out a high speed broadband service called Totally Unlimited Broadband, which offers unlimited internet usage at lower prices.

BT said the service will be free from traffic management and starts from £16 a month for 16Mbit/s copper broadband, £23 for the 38Mbit/s Infinity package or £26 for the highest speed 76Mbit/s Infinity service.

"Previously, the cheapest way for BT broadband customers to go unlimited was by taking a £26 ($40.64 CAD) a month option," the provider said.

BT will also offer the first six months free for new customers of the service, though this offer won't be available for those signing up to the cheapest package.

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This in a country whose prices are typically at least double Canada's (in Canadian dollar terms) for just about everything.



elitefx

join:2011-02-14
London, ON
kudos:2

This is the exact route I suggested TekSavvy take a few days ago over in the Tek forum. Told them they needed to focus on new pricing and discounts till they get their speeds up to par.

Even if it's just a short term venture, it's a great way to generate new customers and grow the business through a rough patch.


sunnyd71

join:2004-05-22
l7z2t4
reply to MaynardKrebs

Uk incumbents are nothing like in Canada. They have functional seperation so BT retail as well as 3rd parties like Talk Talk, all purchase service from BT Wholesale called OpenReach. BT cannot provide better services to their customers or higher margins artificially this way. Think of it like Bell providing the network and usage on a fair basis at $x but both Bell and TekSavvy must purchase service from this wholesale Bell at the same cost and then can compete at the retail level. There is strong regulation to ensure the wholesale business makes little profit and acts as a utility to provide as cheap as possible wholesale service while making enough for investment in infrastructure.

In the last few years since they did this, prices have plummeted and speeds increased immensely. Competition works.



nitzguy
Premium
join:2002-07-11
Sudbury, ON
reply to MaynardKrebs

said by MaynardKrebs:

BT cuts the price of high speed broadband
»www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new···roadband

UK INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER (ISP) BT is rolling out a high speed broadband service called Totally Unlimited Broadband, which offers unlimited internet usage at lower prices.

BT said the service will be free from traffic management and starts from £16 a month for 16Mbit/s copper broadband, £23 for the 38Mbit/s Infinity package or £26 for the highest speed 76Mbit/s Infinity service.

"Previously, the cheapest way for BT broadband customers to go unlimited was by taking a £26 ($40.64 CAD) a month option," the provider said.

BT will also offer the first six months free for new customers of the service, though this offer won't be available for those signing up to the cheapest package.

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This in a country whose prices are typically at least double Canada's (in Canadian dollar terms) for just about everything.

Tell me you didn't say that the UK is an Internet pioneer....

This coming from the same company "BT Telecom, or British Telecom, or whatever they are called", who charged you PER MINUTE FOR LOCAL CALLS....

Here's the #1 issue. In terms of a landline phone service, Canada has one of the lowest prices if not the lowest for POTS service in the entire world.

So yeah, if you want your phone with a per minute charge, UK is where its at....forget that.

MaynardKrebs
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With a 76Mbps connection for $6/month, I wouldn't have POTS service anyway.



tristen1230

join:2010-12-26
Belleville, ON
reply to MaynardKrebs

The UK in my opinion is a very good place to live. Good dollar, great price for internet. About the phone you can use VOIP which I am sure you can find somewhere in the UK.


sunnyd71

join:2004-05-22
l7z2t4
reply to nitzguy

said by nitzguy:

Tell me you didn't say that the UK is an Internet pioneer....

This coming from the same company "BT Telecom, or British Telecom, or whatever they are called", who charged you PER MINUTE FOR LOCAL CALLS....

Here's the #1 issue. In terms of a landline phone service, Canada has one of the lowest prices if not the lowest for POTS service in the entire world.

So yeah, if you want your phone with a per minute charge, UK is where its at....forget that.

Phone service in the UK works very differently then here. Here the caller pays the full cost for the call where there, the caller and receiver pay a portion each. Lately, as internet prices dropped, so did POTS and unlimited local calls is now standard and for a very low price. £20 a month you can get phone and internet service uncapped at decent speeds. £35 a month you can also add a good tv package to that. I hope competition can drive down prices here too.

Also important is BT says they are happy with this setup now although they fought it at first. They said they are making strong profit and have happy customers since the regulators imposed functional separation.


random

@teksavvy.com
reply to nitzguy

>In terms of a landline phone service, Canada has one of the lowest prices if not the lowest for POTS service in the entire world.

That statement is false. Don't make up claims without looking up facts to back it up.
»www.pccwshop.com/onlineshop/cms/···en&id=4&

Monthly rental: HK$110.00 (110 HKD=14.15123 CAD)


InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to sunnyd71

said by sunnyd71:

Uk incumbents are nothing like in Canada. They have functional seperation so BT retail as well as 3rd parties like Talk Talk, all purchase service from BT Wholesale called OpenReach.

IIRC, OpenReach only covers copper-based services. Where BT has FTTH, BT still gets to be the gatekeeper much like Bell's FTTH here.

sunnyd71

join:2004-05-22
l7z2t4

said by InvalidError:

said by sunnyd71:

Uk incumbents are nothing like in Canada. They have functional seperation so BT retail as well as 3rd parties like Talk Talk, all purchase service from BT Wholesale called OpenReach.

IIRC, OpenReach only covers copper-based services. Where BT has FTTH, BT still gets to be the gatekeeper much like Bell's FTTH here.

Yes I believe that's right however FTTN is covered as well which for the time being is the vast majority of the footprint...but not these services mentioned above.

prairiesky

join:2008-12-08
canada
kudos:2
reply to random

said by random :

>In terms of a landline phone service, Canada has one of the lowest prices if not the lowest for POTS service in the entire world.

That statement is false. Don't make up claims without looking up facts to back it up.
»www.pccwshop.com/onlineshop/cms/···en&id=4&

Monthly rental: HK$110.00 (110 HKD=14.15123 CAD)

and the average household income is $2400/month.... with housing taking up probably half of that if not more..... It's not as simple as converting dollar amounts.


nitzguy
Premium
join:2002-07-11
Sudbury, ON
reply to random

said by random :

>In terms of a landline phone service, Canada has one of the lowest prices if not the lowest for POTS service in the entire world.

That statement is false. Don't make up claims without looking up facts to back it up.
»www.pccwshop.com/onlineshop/cms/···en&id=4&

Monthly rental: HK$110.00 (110 HKD=14.15123 CAD)

You're cherry-picking. Dollar for dollar, across the majority of Canada, the POTS service is the LOWEST in the entire world...

That's one of the reasons why companies in Canada claim that they couldn't expand networks was because the low return on investment, CRTC regulation, etc...nobody wants to thank the CRTC for having such low POTS service prices to begin with...

Can I get that price anywhere in China? (that's right, Hong Kong ceased to exist as its own territory/country in 1997).

And what can I get for $1300/month just in rent in Hong Kong? That's right, about a 500 sq ft apartment....

So, again...as others have said, compare apples to apples, I still stand with Canada has the LOWEST Pots service prices on the planet...and that's a fact.

MaynardKrebs
Heave Steve, for the good of the country
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said by nitzguy:

And what can I get for $1300/month just in rent in Hong Kong? That's right, about a 500 sq ft apartment....

You can't equate Sudbury's Greater Sudbury (2011 census population 160,274) rental market with that of Hong Kong (7,071,600 - 2011**), or Toronto, where $1300 for 500 sq. ft. (or thereabouts) is not uncommon.

And that too a fact.

** »data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.···id=GPD_1
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ChuckcZar

@teksavvy.com
reply to MaynardKrebs

Re: An incumbent that actually lowers prices

...and like every single country in the world expect the countries in Canada there's no upfront fees like a potts splitter or being piped into a different dslam fee. Yes hurry up the good and "fleeced" people of Canada make the next class action lawsuit against Bell the upfront fee lawsuit.