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Gone
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Re: Family of smokers very expensive for Sunwing flight

said by koira:

Airline overacted. Really no need to divert. They should have continued and just fined them heavily.

From the way I read things, the bigger issue was how the family reacted and fought with flight attendants over the incident rather than just the smoking in itself.


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said by Gone:

said by koira:

Airline overacted. Really no need to divert. They should have continued and just fined them heavily.

From the way I read things, the bigger issue was how the family reacted and fought with flight attendants over the incident rather than just the smoking in itself.

well bind them up with tyraps and carry on
throw em in the slammer and fine them


Gone
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said by koira:

well bind them up with tyraps and carry on
throw em in the slammer and fine them

As fun as that sounds, would you want to be stuck on a full three hour flight with someone bound up in the seat next to you who already didn't give a shit about anyone on the plane, and now really doesn't give a shit about anyone on the plane?


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Well given the choice of reaching my destination with slight delay vs a major diversion for a plane full of travelers, it would make sense to continue if the hooligans could be controlled. But it's not a common sense world any more is it.?


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said by Gone:

From the way I read things, the bigger issue was how the family reacted and fought with flight attendants over the incident rather than just the smoking in itself.

Yep, some relevant details...

quote:
"... when they came out they got into a little bit of an argument with the attendants. They couldn't say where they put their cigarette butts and that caused a bit of a commotion, I guess. From there it kind of escalated with the father, the mother and the son,"
ding ding ding ding...

The plane had to be searched thoroughly because the people were "screaming and swearing" and wouldn't tell the crew where they put out the butts.

quote:
the plane had to be searched the same way they would search for contraband items.


Gone
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said by koira:

Well given the choice of reaching my destination with slight delay vs a major diversion for a plane full of travelers, it would make sense to continue if the hooligans could be controlled. But it's not a common sense world any more is it.?

To which, I think it defies common sense to try and blame the airline for following procedures for dealing with combative and violent passengers (let alone three of them) than the actual people in question.

Furthermore, after spending four hours in a packed-to-the-brim 737 flight from hell yesterday, I can say that I'd rather land and get on my way the next day than to spend four hours sat next to some tied up asshole who is going to make a point of just how pissed off they are. But what do I know.


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said by Gone:

said by koira:

Well given the choice of reaching my destination with slight delay vs a major diversion for a plane full of travelers, it would make sense to continue if the hooligans could be controlled. But it's not a common sense world any more is it.?

To which, I think it defies common sense to try and blame the airline for following procedures for dealing with combative and violent passengers (let alone three of them) than the actual people in question.

Furthermore, after spending four hours in a packed-to-the-brim 737 flight from hell yesterday, I can say that I'd rather land and get on my way the next day than to spend four hours sat next to some tied up asshole who is going to make a point of just how pissed off they are. But what do I know.

on that note I have to agree, I wouldn't want to sit next to you either


Gone
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Nor I you, obviously. Your point, smartypants?


koira
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My point...your rant about 4 hour flight from hell, pissed off yada yada. You're not much better than the smokers in the OP thanks


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Yeah, because ranting about a redeye with a rude flight crew, the seatbelt light never turning off due to constant turbulence and a rough landing in the god forsaken hellhole known as Newark after it all happened from the comfort of my own home is the same as someone smoking in an airplane and getting into a near-fist fight with the flight crew to the point where they need to do an emergency landing to arrest the assholes.

Then again, considering that your cognitive reasoning allows you to reconcile blaming the airline for what happened rather than the actual people who caused the issue, watching you come to this kind of conclusion about my flight from hell is - unfortunately - something that shouldn't surprise anyone here.

Your move.


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said by Gone:

Yeah, because ranting about a redeye with a rude flight crew, the seatbelt light never turning off due to constant turbulence and a rough landing in the god forsaken hellhole known as Newark after it all happened from the comfort of my own home is the same as someone smoking in an airplane and getting into a near-fist fight with the flight crew to the point where they need to do an emergency landing to arrest the assholes.

Then again, considering that your cognitive reasoning allows you to reconcile blaming the airline for what happened rather than the actual people who caused the issue, watching you come to this kind of conclusion about my flight from hell is - unfortunately - something that shouldn't surprise anyone here.

Your move.

....I felt turbulence on the way there....on the way back it was quite smooth...although pretty full and the attendant smashed her drink cart against my knee...granted my knee was out in the aisle so maybe I deserved it....

But redeye's are not all they're cracked up to be that's for sure. I would take it over someone doing something stupid like smoking in the washroom even though they say there are smoke detectors...and that's probably what caused the landing...


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The A320 on the flight there was also a hell of a lot quieter in the cabin than the 737-800 on the way back, too. That, and they provided us with free movies and TV on the A320, whereas on the 737 we got... to pay $8 for Direct TV. Wonderful.


I_H8_Spam

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Continental (United) ?


corster
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said by Gone:

The A320 on the flight there was also a hell of a lot quieter in the cabin than the 737-800 on the way back, too. That, and they provided us with free movies and TV on the A320, whereas on the 737 we got... to pay $8 for Direct TV. Wonderful.

The joys of flying a post-merger airline (assuming United-Continental?)


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said by corster:

The joys of flying a post-merger airline (assuming United-Continental?)

Ding ding ding ding.

To quote my father-in-law, "Never again."


I_H8_Spam

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Airlines I'll always fly

Jetblue, Southwest, Virgin Atlantic, Westjet

Never again

AC, American, United, Transat


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Southwest has dicked my FIL a few times in the past, but next year when I head south I'll pay more for a direct Southwest BUF-LAS flight rather than the ordeal that was United on the way back.

I didn't even mention how we got stuck on the tarmac in Newark for an hour packed into a sardine can Embraer 145 because someone overfilled the plane and it needed to be drained.


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I flew the SW BUF-LAS this last summer. Packed flight but no interruptions, I don't expect frills on SW just prompt efficient service.
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said by I_H8_Spam:

Never again

AC, American, United, Transat

I hear so many people say that about Transat yet I have flown them
at least 6-8 times and never had a problem.

FaxCap


I_H8_Spam

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said by FaxCap:

said by I_H8_Spam:

Never again

AC, American, United, Transat

I hear so many people say that about Transat yet I have flown them
at least 6-8 times and never had a problem.

FaxCap

Twice over the pond,

'99 - First delayed for hours at Gatwick as we were returned to gate for an computer error.

'05 - Delayed, then an incredible hot flight for hours, felt really stuffy, hostess was quite snippy on being asked for water. Effected about 20 rows in the middle of the plane, landed in YYZ finally fully drenched in sweat.
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nitzguy
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said by I_H8_Spam:

Airlines I'll always fly

Jetblue, Southwest, Virgin Atlantic, Westjet

Never again

AC, American, United, Transat

Considering my very low air mile count....I've never had a problem with AC. And consider the price I paid to go to vegas (Return $598 all taxes in...from Sudbury, not Toronto) it was pretty good overall, flight coming back was delayed, but that's because it was delayed in Toronto...weather related I believe that day so out of airlines control.

Got free movies/tv shows on the AC flight too...bought the crummy headphones but hey at $3.25 it wasn't too bad for the flight there and back...and then I forgot them in my hoodie and they got washed...oh well memories...

I guess since its my only viable option out of Sudbury I don't rail against AC like others do? lol...flew on one of their "Express" planes on the way down (not on the way back) and flight wasn't full so they asked 2 people to move to adjust the planes "ballast" I thought that was hilarious....it was a Q400 or Dash8-400 on the way down...A321 to LAS, which was tiny compared to the 747 that left the gate used for a flight to Heathrow about 4 hours before my flight left. Probably that same A321 back...and crammed into a Dash8-100 with a guy who brought along his ipad for a 50 minute flight...oh well some people .


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said by nitzguy:

(Return $598 all taxes in...from Sudbury, not Toronto)

I got two return tickets and a week at a hotel... for $588. Add on the rental car and I was still less than $700.

Flying out of Buffalo makes a gigantic difference.


nitzguy
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said by Gone:

said by nitzguy:

(Return $598 all taxes in...from Sudbury, not Toronto)

I got two return tickets and a week at a hotel... for $588. Add on the rental car and I was still less than $700.

Flying out of Buffalo makes a gigantic difference.

Well, for me, not so much, consider the potential 6 hour drive ahead of me....I looked at it and on paper I guess it wasn't worth the difference...also would have cut down on my stay there as I needed to be back to work that Monday night...and couldn't have swung it to be back in time then....

But yes for you guys down there, it makes much more sense IMO.


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said by Gone:

Southwest has dicked my FIL a few times in the past, but next year when I head south I'll pay more for a direct Southwest BUF-LAS flight rather than the ordeal that was United on the way back.

I didn't even mention how we got stuck on the tarmac in Newark for an hour packed into a sardine can Embraer 145 because someone overfilled the plane and it needed to be drained.

I hate anything Embraer with a passion. When they load me onto a Bombardier jet I feel like I'm in heaven by comparison.


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said by Last Parade:

said by Gone:

Southwest has dicked my FIL a few times in the past, but next year when I head south I'll pay more for a direct Southwest BUF-LAS flight rather than the ordeal that was United on the way back.

I didn't even mention how we got stuck on the tarmac in Newark for an hour packed into a sardine can Embraer 145 because someone overfilled the plane and it needed to be drained.

I hate anything Embraer with a passion. When they load me onto a Bombardier jet I feel like I'm in heaven by comparison.

What's wrong with Embraer? It's a respectable company, such that even Air Canada has them as regional airplane commuters.


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said by Last Parade:

I hate anything Embraer with a passion. When they load me onto a Bombardier jet I feel like I'm in heaven by comparison.

I suspect that the experience on an Embraer 17x/19x is a *lot* better than on a ERJ.

It's funny you say this though, because I have a friend who feels the complete opposite and hates CRJs with a passion.


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said by Gone:

said by Last Parade:

I hate anything Embraer with a passion. When they load me onto a Bombardier jet I feel like I'm in heaven by comparison.

I suspect that the experience on an Embraer 17x/19x is a *lot* better than on a ERJ.

It's funny you say this though, because I have a friend who feels the complete opposite and hates CRJs with a passion.

I've enjoyed flights on AC's Embraer jets (I think I was on a 175, but I can't be sure), and as for CRJs it depends on who the carrier is. I didn't mind the AC ones I've been on, but the seats on a United-liveried aircraft were just brutal...to the point where I wasn't sure I'd be able to stand after the flight. Fortunately, I had a long walk at O'Hare to catch my connecting flight to work out the backache.
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My flight to Indianapolis this May consists of.... CRJ 200 from Ottawa to O'Hare, and then an ERJ 145 from O'Hare to Indy.... Not looking forward to it.


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You poor bastard. To say that an ERJ 145 is cramped is an understatement.

jaberi

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so none of the 3 were charged with smoking aboard the aircraft...that was quick....are these charges from bermuda authorities, or otherwise?
will they not have to go to court in canada?

sunwing has them on the no fly list, can other airlines follow suit and put them on the no fly list?