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dirtyjeffer
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Re: [Wind] Wind Mobile has new plans...

said by elwoodblues:

We'll see, he could get a playbook for $100 bucks when they were being dumped for 200+

i thought they were dumping playbooks for $100 at stores during some sale too, weren't they?

also, the playbook scenario isn't an example i would gauge it on, considering that price was artificially low because no one would buy them (as you said, they were dumping them).
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elwoodblues
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That was Christmas 2011 remember?



dirtyjeffer
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well, i thought there were around that price for anyone (not just employees)...as i said, i would use the playbook example as a guide...unless of course sales of the Z10 are anything like the playbook (which i doubt).



J E F F
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Looks like the Z10 is doing okay, sales wise, so no dumping. Elwood might be able to grab one for $300-$400 from his BIL. Rogers has them for $599 contract-free, so my guess that will be the price minus BB employee discount of $200, maybe $300. My buddy works there so I'll ask him.
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Katzendreck

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The unlimited parts of their plan are nice, but being someone from the US I'm not a fan of this "local"/"provincial"/"nationwide" crap the mobile providers here pull, on top of egregious fees for CallerID and others. I gave Wind a shot, fully knowing they only service metro areas, but switched away after 4 or 5 months when their service was so bad in old Toronto of all places, I would regularly lose signal just entering my house's foyer.

Instead, about half a year ago I bought a Samsung Note (subsidised) with Bell and convinced them to immediately switch me to a flex tablet data plan. So for $20 ($35 if I go over 500MB, goes up to 5 or 6 GB, I've never used even half that in a month, I'd say only once or twice I've gone over 500MB) I get to use Google Voice/Talkatone (have two GV numbers, one an American number I ported from AT&T, another I circumvented their block to acquire an Alberta number from, so my wife can add that number to her Rogers My10) and call/text anywhere in North America, plus app has built in CallerID and voicemail/transcription that gets forwarded to my e-mail.

If you know what you're doing you can get the most even out of the Big 3.
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J E F F
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What is your monthly?

My Rogers bill was $72 minus $13 in credit minus 12% bundled discount for $52+tax and "non" governmental governmental recovery fee's and ecolab fee's and Bob's your uncle fee. I was using an iPhone (which, while still under a 3rd party warranty, can't be fixed nor is Rogers willing to care) that seemed to chew through data even when not in use, so 1 GB of data was good for checking e-mail and that's it, otherwise I was going over huge.

BTW: There are simpler ways to add often called numbers that are US based. I was (am) using VoIP.ms, but might as well as change my plan to get what I need for $1 more.

My phone has gone out (Away) a handful of times in two months, but I haven't been charged any roaming minutes yet.

I know that the other providers (Bell, Rogers, Telus) do have better coverage, but you pay dearly for that, and I'm not willing to pay $95 plus strange fees. If I can get twice as much for 1/3 the price...

Like, really, who charges for Caller-ID? What the hell?
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said by J E F F:

Looks like the Z10 is doing okay, sales wise, so no dumping. Elwood might be able to grab one for $300-$400 from his BIL. Rogers has them for $599 contract-free, so my guess that will be the price minus BB employee discount of $200, maybe $300. My buddy works there so I'll ask him.

He said employee deals aren't setup yet, i think they want to launch the US before offering it to employees
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graniterock

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reply to J E F F

If only voicemail wasn't an extra $8 I'd consider moving away from the holiday miracle of 2011 to the $30 plan. Nice to see an unlimited data plan at the $30 mark.


Katzendreck

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said by J E F F:

What is your monthly?

My Rogers bill was $72 minus $13 in credit minus 12% bundled discount for $52+tax and "non" governmental governmental recovery fee's and ecolab fee's and Bob's your uncle fee. I was using an iPhone (which, while still under a 3rd party warranty, can't be fixed nor is Rogers willing to care) that seemed to chew through data even when not in use, so 1 GB of data was good for checking e-mail and that's it, otherwise I was going over huge.

BTW: There are simpler ways to add often called numbers that are US based. I was (am) using VoIP.ms, but might as well as change my plan to get what I need for $1 more.

My phone has gone out (Away) a handful of times in two months, but I haven't been charged any roaming minutes yet.

I know that the other providers (Bell, Rogers, Telus) do have better coverage, but you pay dearly for that, and I'm not willing to pay $95 plus strange fees. If I can get twice as much for 1/3 the price...

Like, really, who charges for Caller-ID? What the hell?

My monthly is a flex tablet plan so it depends on data, so it's one of the three:

1) $20/month for under 500MB of data usage
2) $35/month for 500MB-5 or 6GB of data usage
3) $35/month + per MB data charge I don't even know of since I won't ever exceed even 3 or 4 GB even with LTE.

When I went into the mall to buy the phone (Samsung Note) and open the account, Bell had me initially on something like a $70 plan with voice, data, etc., but all of that is irrelevant since I convinced a Bell rep to move me to their tablet plan which is nationwide (so don't even have to worry about this local/provincial/nation wide crap), and I use GV/Talkatone for free infinite calls/texts to anywhere in North America.
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jaberi

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i want to get a phone and a plan...."samsung note 2" is the one...it is priced at $700.00

yes, rogers has it for $149.00 with a 3 year contract....i'm not interested.....would wind or mobilicity be a better option....



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I see...so you basically don't have a Bell voice line, you're just using your data coverage. Really not sure if I'd go that route, but if it works, why not.
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You can try Wind, no contacts. If it sucks, leave. If it works good, stick around, good prices.
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said by J E F F:

You can try Wind, no contacts. If it sucks, leave. If it works good, stick around, good prices.

yes, but i want to find which carrier has the phone at the cheapest deal first...


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said by jaberi:

i want to get a phone and a plan...."samsung note 2" is the one...it is priced at $700.00

yes, rogers has it for $149.00 with a 3 year contract....i'm not interested.....would wind or mobilicity be a better option....

I took out a Samsung Galaxy 3S with Wind... I was shocked when they offered it to me for $400, the phone costs $660. Here's the catch, you never have to pay the rest of the money until you decide to leave Wind... and you take your phone with you.

@ JEFF: I hate Apple because they cripple their iphones on purpose, I have no respect for them and I will never buy another phone from them, thank God that Samsung makes a better smartphone and is the way of the future. Does the iphone have "beam" where you transfer files by just touching two Samsung phones together? Nope it doesn't, that's just one of the things that the iphone lacks and will never have..... well maybe the Iphone 9s will have that in 2017 when they release it, hahaha!

jaberi

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it would be nice if wind or anyone offered the phone for $149.00 wouldn't it?



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said by jaberi:

it would be nice if wind or anyone offered the phone for $149.00 wouldn't it?

You want a subsidized phone for $149? Go to Rogers and take out a plan for $80/month with 200 daytime minutes and free evening after 9:00pm, don't bother going to WIND.

Katzendreck

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said by J E F F:

I see...so you basically don't have a Bell voice line, you're just using your data coverage. Really not sure if I'd go that route, but if it works, why not.

Yeah it's probably not for everyone, and since it took me about 2 hours to convince this lady, they certainly resist moving brand new contracted people with a subsidised phone on 3 year contracts from one of their super bundled voice+data+text+alltheothercrap to just data.
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MaynardKrebs
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My WIND $40 HMP (the original plan) with my Blackberry & Playbook give me everything I need on the road .... except Skype, and that's coming.



dirtyjeffer
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my plan is about $50 all in...200 minutes, unlimited evenings/weekends 6pm, voicemail, caller ID, 2500 texts, 500MB data...works good for my needs.



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said by jaberi:

it would be nice if wind or anyone offered the phone for $149.00 wouldn't it?

Order a Nexus 4 for $359. Pentaband, unlocked. Done.
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said by Xstar_Lumini:

250 daytime minutes a month
free weekends and evenings (after 8:00pm)
Toll/long distance charge if calling from outside the GTA (even to another Rogers phone)
500 pathetic MB's a month
$6 for call ID extra
NO text messages $72 dollars

I get 1000 minutes, unlimited evenings/weekends at 6, unlimited incoming, unlimited R2R, unlimited text, free North American LD, voicemail, call display, VVM (which I never use) and 3GB of data for the same price on Rogers. It'd be $10/month more for 6GB.

You are either talking to the wrong person, or you're acting like a prick to the ones you do.


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Really though, what you did is what the big 3 are afraid of everyone figuring out. If everyone does sip and get their own DID, the market will have to figure away to adjust.
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Looks like my current Rogers plan after discounts, though I still have MY 5 as well. My problem is that 500GB or 1GB is not enough with a smart phone, not if you're using it anyway. 2GB might be okay, 3 GB would be great. If I could have my plan that I have now, with 3 GB, I'd stay with them, but my plan no longer exists. Rogers minimum plan for the z10 is $70. Wind is $20, or $30 for a plan that is equal to Rogers $100 plan...yikes.
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said by J E F F:

Looks like my current Rogers plan after discounts, though I still have MY 5 as well. My problem is that 500GB or 1GB is not enough with a smart phone, not if you're using it anyway. 2GB might be okay, 3 GB would be great. If I could have my plan that I have now, with 3 GB, I'd stay with them, but my plan no longer exists. Rogers minimum plan for the z10 is $70. Wind is $20, or $30 for a plan that is equal to Rogers $100 plan...yikes.

That is my fight, i have 6gb, they want an outrageous amount of money to offer me that and i don't want to lose it.. i rarely use above 2gb,but I don't want to have to monitor my usage.
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MaynardKrebs
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said by analog andy:

Also I believe with Wind if your tab is not paid off after three years they pay off the outstanding amount, so if you're on a TAB keep your phone for 3 years and only have to pay for part of it.

That's correct - unless they've also changed that recently.
Deal is that they take 10% of your pre-tax monthly bill (say $40) and apply that against the outstanding phone balance for 36 months. At the end of 36 months they write-down the outstanding balance to $0.

As of today, Wind sells the Nexus 4 retail at $549 cash purchase price, but you can put it on their "TAB" with $249 downpayment. Now add $4 (10% of $40) x 36 months = $144, which brings the total price you paid for the phone to $249 cash + a notional 144 = $393 This is about what you'd have paid buying it directly from the Google Play store today. As long as you stick around for the full 3 years, it's a good deal.

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said by MaynardKrebs:

As of today, Wind sells the Nexus 4 retail at $549 cash purchase price, but you can put it on their "TAB" with $249 downpayment. Now add $4 (10% of $40) x 36 months = $144, which brings the total price you paid for the phone to $249 cash + a notional 144 = $393 This is about what you'd have paid buying it directly from the Google Play store today. As long as you stick around for the full 3 years, it's a good deal.

Since you seem to understand the Wind tab system I have a question.

Lets say I already have a Nexus 4 and use the $40 account.

Do I still get a tab? In other words if I stay on this account for 3 years do I have a $144 credit on it, which I could use to put toward a new phone at that time?

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Keep in mind if you want a WindTab, they do a quick credit check.
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said by bbvax:

said by MaynardKrebs:

As of today, Wind sells the Nexus 4 retail at $549 cash purchase price, but you can put it on their "TAB" with $249 downpayment. Now add $4 (10% of $40) x 36 months = $144, which brings the total price you paid for the phone to $249 cash + a notional 144 = $393 This is about what you'd have paid buying it directly from the Google Play store today. As long as you stick around for the full 3 years, it's a good deal.

Since you seem to understand the Wind tab system I have a question.

Lets say I already have a Nexus 4 and use the $40 account.

Do I still get a tab? In other words if I stay on this account for 3 years do I have a $144 credit on it, which I could use to put toward a new phone at that time?

No. You purchase the phone for $249. The remaining $300 goes onto a WindTab - ie what you still owe for the phone.

Wind takes takes $4 off the balance owing on WindTab for every month you're with them. After 3 years, despite only paying off $144.00, they write off the $156.00 still 'owing', and the phone is yours free & clear.
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said by resa1983:

Keep in mind if you want a WindTab, they do a quick credit check.

Yeah, I was approved for 10 phones....like, as if I need 10 phones...when I was there, two other people trying to get phones were declined, so I was thinking "Man, there ARE people out their with worse credit than me..."
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MaynardKrebs
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said by resa1983:

said by bbvax:

said by MaynardKrebs:

As of today, Wind sells the Nexus 4 retail at $549 cash purchase price, but you can put it on their "TAB" with $249 downpayment. Now add $4 (10% of $40) x 36 months = $144, which brings the total price you paid for the phone to $249 cash + a notional 144 = $393 This is about what you'd have paid buying it directly from the Google Play store today. As long as you stick around for the full 3 years, it's a good deal.

Since you seem to understand the Wind tab system I have a question.

Lets say I already have a Nexus 4 and use the $40 account.

Do I still get a tab? In other words if I stay on this account for 3 years do I have a $144 credit on it, which I could use to put toward a new phone at that time?

No. You purchase the phone for $249. The remaining $300 goes onto a WindTab - ie what you still owe for the phone.

Wind takes takes $4 off the balance owing on WindTab for every month you're with them. After 3 years, despite only paying off $144.00, they write off the $156.00 still 'owing', and the phone is yours free & clear.

The $144 you "pay" is just a notional (non-cash) amount.

You're actually paying $40/month +tax - but you are NOT paying an extra $4/month for the phone on top of that. Wind is doing an accounting exercise with your $40, allocating $36 of it to the 'plan' and $4 of it to the phone.

So Wind is actually eating the $144 since if you never got a phone on the TAB, Wind would have had that $144 in the bank as profit.

Again - as long as you think you're going to be a Wind customer for 3 years, it's a good deal for you.

On the other hand, say you decide to leave Wind after 1 year. You'd have:

Retail phone price = $549
- Phone downpayment = $249
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Total Balance owing = $300
- 12 months x $4 = $48
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Balance @ 1 year = $252

So you'd owe Wind $252 for the phone after 12 months if you switched carriers. That would result in you having paid $249 +252 = $501 for the phone.

If you switched carriers after 2 years, the balance owing on the phone would be $252-another $48 = $204, making your phone's total cost after 2 years = $249 + 202 = $451

It clearly is to your advantage to stick around for the full 3 years as your total cost for the phone would be $249. Buying the Nexus 4 directly from Google costs $349 upfront.