 RR ConductorNWP RR Co.,serving NW CAPremium
join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
kudos:1 | reply to pandora
Re: AT&T dropping Straight Talk due to phone unlocking law? Straight Talk, Net 10 and Tracfone are all owned and operated by America Movil.
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Zach 58Premium
join:2006-11-26
NW Minnesota | While on the subject of America Movil, AT&T is a rather large stakeholder owning nearly a quarter of the company.
»www.americamovil.com/amx/en/cm/a···=28&s=37
Since America Movil had been actively courting T's disgruntled iPhone users, maybe the new deal with AM selling a VZW powered iPhone 5 (LTE disabled) has some feathers ruffled over at T not to mention, AM would make a bit of coin off of the phone sale whereas they don't make anything on BYOD hardware. VZW probably offered AM a sweetheart wholesale deal on EVDO access. The article below was linked on the DSLR homepage a few days ago
»gigaom.com/2013/02/01/as-users-f···etwork/?
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Now that Verizon is quickly moving customers to its LTE network, what can it do with the older 3G airwaves? Use them for two new prepaid plans and make a little new money on old resources.
It's starting to appear as if T has decided to "monetize" VZW's EVDO spectrum on the cheap by off loading the heavier iPhone traffic on Big Red.
The ATT BYOD program will probably return once everyone gets their panties out of a wad and/or learns if peeps are really willing layout $650 for a new phone rather than going subsidized.
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pandoraPremium
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| said by Zach 58:The ATT BYOD program will probably return once everyone gets their panties out of a wad and/or learns if peeps are really willing layout $650 for a new phone rather than going subsidized.
A Nexus 4 is $300 or $350 is unlocked and without any subsidy. An AT&T Galaxy Note II is about the same price ($299) from AT&T with a 2 year contract. After I lock in the Note II for the same price as the unlocked Nexus. AT&T wants $59 a month for 900 voice minutes, $20 a month for 300 mb of data, and $20 a month for unlimited texting.
That works out after charges and fees to a bit over $100 per month, vs the $45 Straight Talk offered. The math should have made it easy for customers to make a better choice than locking in to an overpriced prepaid plan.
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redholm
join:2004-10-31
Sunnyvale, CA Reviews:
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1 edit | +1 The math should be simple but until now not enough people did the math.
I estimate that a simple phone is subsidized with $10 a month and a smart phone is subsidized with $30.
That makes the real cost for the Galaxy II for with 2 year contract 299 + 24 * 30 = $1019
Not counting upgrade fees and taxes.
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 leiboldPremium,MVM
join:2002-07-09
Sunnyvale, CA
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| said by redholm:I estimate that a simple phone is subsidized with $10 a month and a smart phone is subsidized with $30. Your estimates are too high. Since the purpose of the ETF is to recover the phone subsidy then in most cases the subsidy will be equal or less then the ETF. I realize that there can be special situations where a company is willing to make a loss on the subsidy for strategic reasons but those will be rare cases:
Regular phone: ETF = $150-175 over 2 years is $6-7/month
Smart phone: ETF = $325-350 over 2 years is $13-15/month
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join:2004-10-31
Sunnyvale, CA Reviews:
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1 edit | I like that you showed how you came up with your numbers. I did not use ETF but I show my math.
I think ETF is related to what the phone actualy cost AT&T but the phone subsidies will be higher for two reasons.
1) AT&T want to inflate the list price of the phone to increase the perceived value of subsidized phones.
2) You are borrowing money from AT&T and they want interest and money to cover the people who default on their contract.
To get the phone subsidy you need to find the lowest price AT&T is willing to sell you the service and look at what the least expensive plan cost. The difference is the phone subsidy.
On a family plan an extra phone cost $10. AT&T did not sell you anything, no extra minutes, nothing.
AT&T charge $10, cost of service $0, gives a phone subsidy of $10.
The lowest cost for data is $10 per GB. The lowest cost individual data plan is $20 for 300 MB. The cost for AT&T for 300 MB is at most $3, in reality it cost much less.
AT&T charges $20, cost of service 0-3 dollars, gives a phone subsidy 17-20 dollars.
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 CabalPremium
join:2007-01-21
Austin, TX
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said by leibold:Smart phone: ETF = $325-350 over 2 years is $13-15/month
Unfortunately, an iPhone new and off-contract is $650-850, so $30+ a month is more accurate on the high end:
»store.apple.com/us/browse/home/s···/iphone5
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| Unless you purchase off eBay which I have for all of ours and the average I have paid was $150 for iPhone 4's and I paid $200 for my iPhone 4S. Prior to that I purchased an iPhone 3 and a 3GS a few years back for much cheaper than new. Each one looked almost brand new. But then I get our Otterboxes there too, NIB and haven't paid more than $25 for those. Why buy a subsidized when for a little more I can get a gently used one and avoid the contract? You don't have to get a brand new phone. Almost new is just as good. |
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There's a theory that since a number of us have figured out how to run our iPhones on a MVNO, they don't *want* us to do so. I have absolutely no incentive to run it on T-Mobile because the data speeds are not up to even 3G in most of the country.
If I could not run my iPhone on AT&T's network, I'd be screwed. I refuse to go android, and I refuse to use an iPhone on T-No Service. |
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