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peterboro
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Biggest storm in years. Call the army now!

Here we go again in Toronto. Lets watch the comedy show as Toronto gets hit with the biggest storm in years. Will Ford call in the army???

»www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/02···nto.html


donoreo
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He will call in a football team


Anav
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We dont need another weather thread for the same event.
That being said, the armys job is to not to clear the streets as this would be competing with local businesses and taking away their financial opportunities.

peterboro
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said by Anav:

We dont need another weather thread for the same event.

Ah, but this a Toronto centric thread.


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said by peterboro:

Here we go again in Toronto. Lets watch the comedy show as Toronto gets hit with the biggest storm in years. Will Ford call in the army???

»www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/02···nto.html

The image breaks my heart, a young mother pushing her child over an inch of snow covered grass... for some fucked up bizarre reason.

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While I appreciate the good humour in it all, lets be real, when Toronto called in the army, it was for good reason. Unlike small town somewhere, Toronto doesn't have anywhere to put the snow. It has to be trucked out. It doesn't have wide open, empty streets, that plows can just fly up and clear, they are narrow, and most plows, when the street doesn't have vehicles on them can barely get past. I know, its fun to joke, but, he did the right thing back then. No TTC, no clear streets, means this city grinds to a halt. Warehouses don't get the food / product shipments out, people cannot get to work, businesses were closed. It was a very real situation. I actually remember a small town grocery store calling our distro office because they were running out of supplies, and we couldn't get our trucks out, because our employee's couldn't get to work to load the trucks quick enough.

peterboro
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This province has an abundance of cities and towns with downtown cores that replicate Toronto's but on a smaller scale and they don't run to the army.


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They dump a ton of it in the Don Valley, where it's a melting cesspool of toxic waste well into the summer.

They used to dump it in the lake before it became an environmental NO NO, but if it leeches into the lake (via the Don River) that's ok.


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said by peterboro:

This province has an abundance of cities and towns with downtown cores that replicate Toronto's but on a smaller scale and they don't run to the army.

That abundance of small towns and cities don't have move millions of people across town to work, they don't have a transit system that provides another 1/2m or so rides a day.
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Yeah, with a population of 100 000 people, not 3-4 Million, plus another 1 million trying to come into the city. Comparing a small town to Toronto is silly in so many ways. However, you are right, next time, maybe we won't call in the army, and we can let small town Ontario go without supplies for a week.


donoreo
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said by Viper359:

While I appreciate the good humour in it all, lets be real, when Toronto called in the army, it was for good reason. Unlike small town somewhere, Toronto doesn't have anywhere to put the snow. It has to be trucked out. It doesn't have wide open, empty streets, that plows can just fly up and clear, they are narrow, and most plows, when the street doesn't have vehicles on them can barely get past. I know, its fun to joke, but, he did the right thing back then. No TTC, no clear streets, means this city grinds to a halt. Warehouses don't get the food / product shipments out, people cannot get to work, businesses were closed. It was a very real situation. I actually remember a small town grocery store calling our distro office because they were running out of supplies, and we couldn't get our trucks out, because our employee's couldn't get to work to load the trucks quick enough.

Um....no. Not the case at all. Toronto dumps snow all over from the few areas that they remove it. Toronto has very few areas where they actually do snow removal, mostly it is just ploughed and ploughed. As Elwood mentioned, one of the places is the Don Valley. It is right off the on and off ramp for Bayview and Bloor. They rotate the locations around and do not use the same one every year.
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That is my point, its put into dump trucks, and carted away. I didn't say where they put it. I was saying that they just don't drive a plough down the street, and dump it at the end of the street, where it will stay for the entire winter. Unless of course, its a mild winter. Just look at most of the side streets around us, they never get ploughed, a truck can't get down most of them in downtown and center town Toronto.

In a bad winter, I have seen them cart away from almost every major artery in the city, not counting the hi-way of course.


DKS
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said by Viper359:

Unlike small town somewhere, Toronto doesn't have anywhere to put the snow.

Um... it's called "parks". Toronto has lots of them. They also have five MetroMelters. And the Gasbag Brothers.
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said by Viper359:

That is my point, its put into dump trucks, and carted away. I didn't say where they put it. I was saying that they just don't drive a plough down the street, and dump it at the end of the street, where it will stay for the entire winter.

Most cities do that. Including many much smaller than Toronto.


DKS
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said by urbanriot:

said by peterboro:

Here we go again in Toronto. Lets watch the comedy show as Toronto gets hit with the biggest storm in years. Will Ford call in the army???

»www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/02···nto.html

The image breaks my heart, a young mother pushing her child over an inch of snow covered grass... for some fucked up bizarre reason.

Oh! The humanity!
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gasbag brothers......LOLOLOLOLOL


elwoodblues
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I think the Metromelters are gone, I've not seen one on the road in years. What i do see is bob cats and front end loaders scopping up the snow at the side of the road and trucking it away, faster and more efficient then the MetroMelters.


DKS
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said by Viper359:

gasbag brothers......LOLOLOLOLOL

Beats calling out the army...
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Viper359
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Plus, with the hot air those two spew, they could melt most of the snow!!!


DKS
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said by elwoodblues:

I think the Metromelters are gone, I've not seen one on the road in years.

They are still listed on the city web site as being in service.
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said by Viper359:

Yeah, with a population of 100 000 people, not 3-4 Million, plus another 1 million trying to come into the city. Comparing a small town to Toronto is silly in so many ways. However, you are right, next time, maybe we won't call in the army, and we can let small town Ontario go without supplies for a week.

Nicely said! Any significant snow over Toronto affects millions of people, millions of vehicles, and thousands of major businesses. The logistics of what it takes to coordinate life in a big city like Toronto or New York is just astounding if you actually look at the flow of goods and people, and it takes relatively little to throw this fine-tuned orchestration into chaos, and the impacts are felt far and wide. Comparing it to snow over some rural backwater is just silly.
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loosedobbs

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reply to donoreo
said by peterboro:

Here we go again in Toronto. Lets watch the comedy show as Toronto gets hit with the biggest storm in years. Will Ford call in the army???

»www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/02···nto.html

said by donoreo:

He will call in a football team

LMAO.

From school/collegiate or Army?

And people say Toronto is centre of Universe. Looks like it is for everyone outside Toronto and cares more about Toronto. actually make fun than care.


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said by Viper359:

It doesn't have wide open, empty streets, that plows can just fly up and clear, they are narrow, and most plows, when the street doesn't have vehicles on them can barely get past.

aaah, You mean like the original cobblestone roads in Montreal, Quebec city and elsewhere the width of a horse and buggy?

Hmm.. I don't recall the army ever being called in, even with the record breaking 70-something cm snowfalls.

Good luck with your 20-cm and state of emergency heh


loosedobbs

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said by Viper359:

While I appreciate the good humour in it all, lets be real, when Toronto called in the army, it was for good reason. Unlike small town somewhere, Toronto doesn't have anywhere to put the snow. It has to be trucked out. It doesn't have wide open, empty streets, that plows can just fly up and clear, they are narrow, and most plows, when the street doesn't have vehicles on them can barely get past. I know, its fun to joke, but, he did the right thing back then. No TTC, no clear streets, means this city grinds to a halt. Warehouses don't get the food / product shipments out, people cannot get to work, businesses were closed. It was a very real situation. I actually remember a small town grocery store calling our distro office because they were running out of supplies, and we couldn't get our trucks out, because our employee's couldn't get to work to load the trucks quick enough.

Correct.

There are more people in my ward than city of peteB. So we can understand why they care so much about Toronto.
So its either Toronto or Toronto Maple leafs.


DKS
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said by loosedobbs:

said by peterboro:

Here we go again in Toronto. Lets watch the comedy show as Toronto gets hit with the biggest storm in years. Will Ford call in the army???

»www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/02···nto.html

said by donoreo:

He will call in a football team

LMAO.

From school/collegiate or Army?

And people say Toronto is centre of Universe. Looks like it is for everyone outside Toronto and cares more about Toronto. actually make fun than care.

Other than reservists, the nearest troops are in Petawawa and would need 48 hours to mobilize.
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loosedobbs

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No need to call army ever. The Big city like Toronto should be handling this on own. If it ever happens again shame on everyone.


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If Montreal, on an island, can find places for snow removal, Toronto, not on an island, definitely can.

As for that lady pushing a stroller through the snow... in Montreal, in that scenario, you would see a parent pulling their kids on a sled... Do people in Toronto not have sleds?
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donoreo
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said by loosedobbs:

No need to call army ever. The Big city like Toronto should be handling this on own. If it ever happens again shame on everyone.

Not that they did much last time. I did not live in the city then, but I came in a few days later (after they were gone). It was a mess. Side streets were still barely cleaned.


elwoodblues
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A couple of years back the TTC had a wildcat strike..it was chaos. good thing I rode a bike to work.


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So the army has this vast supply of dumptrucks?
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