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Wolfie00
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reply to Viper359

Re: Biggest storm in years. Call the army now!

said by Viper359:

Yeah, with a population of 100 000 people, not 3-4 Million, plus another 1 million trying to come into the city. Comparing a small town to Toronto is silly in so many ways. However, you are right, next time, maybe we won't call in the army, and we can let small town Ontario go without supplies for a week.

Nicely said! Any significant snow over Toronto affects millions of people, millions of vehicles, and thousands of major businesses. The logistics of what it takes to coordinate life in a big city like Toronto or New York is just astounding if you actually look at the flow of goods and people, and it takes relatively little to throw this fine-tuned orchestration into chaos, and the impacts are felt far and wide. Comparing it to snow over some rural backwater is just silly.
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loosedobbs

join:2006-06-13
Toronto
reply to donoreo

said by peterboro:

Here we go again in Toronto. Lets watch the comedy show as Toronto gets hit with the biggest storm in years. Will Ford call in the army???

»www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/02···nto.html

said by donoreo:

He will call in a football team

LMAO.

From school/collegiate or Army?

And people say Toronto is centre of Universe. Looks like it is for everyone outside Toronto and cares more about Toronto. actually make fun than care.


hm

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said by Viper359:

It doesn't have wide open, empty streets, that plows can just fly up and clear, they are narrow, and most plows, when the street doesn't have vehicles on them can barely get past.

aaah, You mean like the original cobblestone roads in Montreal, Quebec city and elsewhere the width of a horse and buggy?

Hmm.. I don't recall the army ever being called in, even with the record breaking 70-something cm snowfalls.

Good luck with your 20-cm and state of emergency heh


loosedobbs

join:2006-06-13
Toronto
reply to Viper359

said by Viper359:

While I appreciate the good humour in it all, lets be real, when Toronto called in the army, it was for good reason. Unlike small town somewhere, Toronto doesn't have anywhere to put the snow. It has to be trucked out. It doesn't have wide open, empty streets, that plows can just fly up and clear, they are narrow, and most plows, when the street doesn't have vehicles on them can barely get past. I know, its fun to joke, but, he did the right thing back then. No TTC, no clear streets, means this city grinds to a halt. Warehouses don't get the food / product shipments out, people cannot get to work, businesses were closed. It was a very real situation. I actually remember a small town grocery store calling our distro office because they were running out of supplies, and we couldn't get our trucks out, because our employee's couldn't get to work to load the trucks quick enough.

Correct.

There are more people in my ward than city of peteB. So we can understand why they care so much about Toronto.
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reply to loosedobbs

said by loosedobbs:

said by peterboro:

Here we go again in Toronto. Lets watch the comedy show as Toronto gets hit with the biggest storm in years. Will Ford call in the army???

»www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/02···nto.html

said by donoreo:

He will call in a football team

LMAO.

From school/collegiate or Army?

And people say Toronto is centre of Universe. Looks like it is for everyone outside Toronto and cares more about Toronto. actually make fun than care.

Other than reservists, the nearest troops are in Petawawa and would need 48 hours to mobilize.
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loosedobbs

join:2006-06-13
Toronto

No need to call army ever. The Big city like Toronto should be handling this on own. If it ever happens again shame on everyone.



Guspaz
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reply to peterboro

If Montreal, on an island, can find places for snow removal, Toronto, not on an island, definitely can.

As for that lady pushing a stroller through the snow... in Montreal, in that scenario, you would see a parent pulling their kids on a sled... Do people in Toronto not have sleds?
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donoreo
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North York, ON
reply to loosedobbs

said by loosedobbs:

No need to call army ever. The Big city like Toronto should be handling this on own. If it ever happens again shame on everyone.

Not that they did much last time. I did not live in the city then, but I came in a few days later (after they were gone). It was a mess. Side streets were still barely cleaned.


elwoodblues
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reply to Wolfie00

A couple of years back the TTC had a wildcat strike..it was chaos. good thing I rode a bike to work.



Thingamajig
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reply to peterboro

So the army has this vast supply of dumptrucks?
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reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

If Montreal, on an island, can find places for snow removal, Toronto, not on an island, definitely can.

As for that lady pushing a stroller through the snow... in Montreal, in that scenario, you would see a parent pulling their kids on a sled... Do people in Toronto not have sleds?

Guspaz my friend.... many who live here have never seen a sled let alone know what they are used for. So many don't have sleds. Snow used to be a way of life , now has become a novelty. The collision shops and towing will do very well from this hit.


donoreo
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said by koira:

said by Guspaz:

If Montreal, on an island, can find places for snow removal, Toronto, not on an island, definitely can.

As for that lady pushing a stroller through the snow... in Montreal, in that scenario, you would see a parent pulling their kids on a sled... Do people in Toronto not have sleds?

Guspaz my friend.... many who live here have never seen a sled let alone know what they are used for. So many don't have sleds. Snow used to be a way of life , now has become a novelty. The collision shops and towing will do very well from this hit.

We have three new ones to try out! We have one of those flexible foam type and two blow up tube type. The little girls and I have been waiting for snow when we could go.
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loosedobbs

join:2006-06-13
Toronto
reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

If Montreal, on an island, can find places for snow removal, Toronto, not on an island, definitely can.

As for that lady pushing a stroller through the snow... in Montreal, in that scenario, you would see a parent pulling their kids on a sled... Do people in Toronto not have sleds?

Ad now you know why they and most immigrants prefer Toronto than Montreal. Yep, Snow and French is no no for many.


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reply to Thingamajig

said by Thingamajig:

So the army has this vast supply of dumptrucks?

Open up the back of a duece and a half, it will do fine.


Thingamajig
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said by elwoodblues:

said by Thingamajig:

So the army has this vast supply of dumptrucks?

Open up the back of a duece and a half, it will do fine.

Yeah real efficient. Easy to load. Unloading not so much. Waste of resources.
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reply to peterboro

OMG its snowing sideways in Toronto! We're all gonna die!


peterboro
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Peterborough, ON
reply to elwoodblues

said by elwoodblues:

That abundance of small towns and cities don't have move millions of people across town to work, they don't have a transit system that provides another 1/2m or so rides a day.

Cities and towns are just a smaller version of Toronto. No different regardless of all your superfluous puffery of transit and such.

peterboro
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reply to Viper359

said by Viper359:

Yeah, with a population of 100 000 people, not 3-4 Million, plus another 1 million trying to come into the city. Comparing a small town to Toronto is silly in so many ways. However, you are right, next time, maybe we won't call in the army, and we can let small town Ontario go without supplies for a week.

Pfffft. You've got a massive public works budget for a reason. Use it. Face it, despite all your bleating about population, cities are just a microcosm of Toronto with idiosyncratic problems of their own yet they don't go into hysterics like you guys do.

Plus we can do without your supplies considering they consist of head offices and financial institutions set to rip off the rest of the province. Maybe if the city was snowed in for a month the rest of the province would be better off.


J E F F
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reply to Wolfie00

Places like Montreal can do it, with their millions of people, why not Toronto?

Also, many small cities like Mississauga or Hamilton or London or Kitchener have to cope with significant snowfalls with the fraction of the vehicles and personal and deal with roads that are just as busy as the busy ones in Toronto.
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Anav
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reply to Viper359

said by Viper359:

While I appreciate the good humour in it all, lets be real, when Toronto called in the army, it was for good reason. Unlike small town somewhere, Toronto doesn't have anywhere to put the snow. It has to be trucked out. It doesn't have wide open, empty streets, that plows can just fly up and clear, they are narrow, and most plows, when the street doesn't have vehicles on them can barely get past. I know, its fun to joke, but, he did the right thing back then. No TTC, no clear streets, means this city grinds to a halt. Warehouses don't get the food / product shipments out, people cannot get to work, businesses were closed. It was a very real situation. I actually remember a small town grocery store calling our distro office because they were running out of supplies, and we couldn't get our trucks out, because our employee's couldn't get to work to load the trucks quick enough.

Word of advice for Torontonians. Don't eat the yellow snow but the rest is fine. On second thought, its all good yellow or white. Go for it.
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loosedobbs

join:2006-06-13
Toronto
reply to peterboro

said by peterboro:

said by Viper359:

Yeah, with a population of 100 000 people, not 3-4 Million, plus another 1 million trying to come into the city. Comparing a small town to Toronto is silly in so many ways. However, you are right, next time, maybe we won't call in the army, and we can let small town Ontario go without supplies for a week.

Pfffft. You've got a massive public works budget for a reason. Use it. Face it, despite all your bleating about population, cities are just a microcosm of Toronto with idiosyncratic problems of their own yet they don't go into hysterics like you guys do.

Plus we can do without your supplies considering they consist of head offices and financial institutions set to rip off the rest of the province. Maybe if the city was snowed in for a month the rest of the province would be better off.

OK now the knifes are out and the real reason for the thread perhaps?

On weather front, it started snowing in Scarborough. Not that heavy...


Wolfie00
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reply to peterboro

said by peterboro:

Cities and towns are just a smaller version of Toronto. No different regardless of all your superfluous puffery of transit and such.

That must be why every little hick town and village has its own tiny little subway system running beneath it. Because transportation logistics are exactly the same.
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True, Toronto's subway system is pretty tiny :P

On a more serious level, the Toronto subway's daily ridership is less than Montreal, despite having double the population. This is perhaps an unfair comparison, as Montreal has abnormally high subway ridership per capita. Third highest absolute ridership in North America (for all light rail systems, below or above ground) after NYC and Mexico City, second highest per capita after NYC.
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It's because the all the subways ride on tires in Montreal. Or as my daughter said when she was 2 1/2, "blue bus-trains". People prefer rubber over metal any day.

Back OT, you'd think having subways would make snow removal easier, as fewer cars on the road, and most subways need not be plowed. (Except for portions of the Young-University line)
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peterboro
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reply to Wolfie00

said by Wolfie00:

That must be why every little hick town and village has its own tiny little subway system running beneath it. Because transportation logistics are exactly the same.

Cities other than Toronto have their own transit systems with their own problems as well. I would suspect that, and this might sound crazy, but getting a bus up some hills in Peterborough compared to moving a subway car, might be a tad more difficult in a blizzard in Peterborough.


donoreo
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North York, ON
reply to peterboro

I went to the dentist to get a broken tooth fixed and just got home. I drive from the 401 to St, Clare on Yonge and it was not bad. Major roads just wet because of extra salt. One the way back the side roads had a little bit of snow, but not much.



you
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reply to peterboro

Did Toronto harm you as a child or something? Such hate.
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koira
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said by donoreo:

I went to the dentist to get a broken tooth fixed and just got home. I drive from the 401 to St, Clare on Yonge and it was not bad. Major roads just wet because of extra salt. One the way back the side roads had a little bit of snow, but not much.

I'll bet you have to stay home tomorrow because that tooth is so sore


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reply to peterboro

Eeeny, meeny, miny, moe
Two theads about the same snow
This is the youngest
So it gets to go.


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