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Re: How can i use single Freq. in 4 Canopy AP's in one tower? Its hard to remember who understands canopy and not with the flood of the UBNT noobs.
That being said, I stand behind your diagram being incorrect for the application. |
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lutful... of ideasPremium
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| said by wirelessdog:I stand behind your diagram being incorrect for the application. You could draw a correct diagram for this application? If it uses same frequency in same direction, you will have to consider the scenario shown above.
said by wirelessdog:Its hard to remember who understands canopy and not with the flood of the UBNT noobs. Some Canopy fans are worse than Ubiquity fans because of their "blind faith" in GPS synced TDMA. 
P.S. If you search my old posts for TDMA and FPGA, you will see references to a radio platform (my company) designed in 2004 before Canopy added FPGA and a Canopy clone with better spectrum sharing features in 2006. I disclosed recently that (my new company) has developed a TDMA system designed from scratch for HD IPTV delivery. |
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LLigetfa
join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
kudos:1 | That diagram does not describe what the OP said. For the OP the problem is one SM sitting out on the edge between two APs on the same tower.
The multiple tower scenarios are all conjecture since the OP did not say where they are situated relative to each other.
I think the other SMs and other towers are not contributors to the problem. The SM sees two APs on the same tower, both with about the same signal strength, both on the same frequency and polarity.
Instead of trying to get four APs on a tower, all on the same frequency, he should try only using the same frequency on back-to-back APs, so two frequencies per tower. Of course then the two other towers come into play so he needs to plan his frequency reuse between towers as well.
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| If you post a sketch of you towers locations we might find a good freq plan for all 3 towers using the 3 channels. also inlcude the 3 exact channels |
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lutful... of ideasPremium
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said by LLigetfa:The multiple tower scenarios are all conjecture since the OP did not say where they are situated relative to each other. The exact distances between towers (AB/BC/CA) will not make much of a difference since the 3 towers are located 1-2km from each other. He really wants to run 4 sectors on each tower and he wants to use all 3 frequencies available to him.
My suggestion on previous page is a good setup considering all known factors. If you disagree, post a sketch showing what sector/frequency allocation may work better.  |
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LLigetfa
join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
kudos:1 | said by lutful:He really wants to run 4 sectors on each tower and he wants to use all 3 frequencies available to him. Not quite. Yes, he wants to run four sectors but he wants to run all four sectors on the same frequency. He wants each tower to have its own frequency.
As for the distances between the towers, they are not a factor under his current config since each tower has a unique frequency. It only becomes relevant if he decides to use the same frequency on more than one tower. Then the placement must take into consideration all factors.
There are so many permutations possible that it is senseless for me to post sketches based on conjecture. Maybe the towers are all on the periphery and no SMs would see two or more towers? J/K
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lutful... of ideasPremium
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| said by LLigetfa:he wants to run four sectors but he wants to run all four sectors on the same frequency. Yes, he wanted to do that but obviously that won't work very well even with GPS sync and excellent front-to-back ratio sector antennas.
There would be interference contribution from 3 SMs (belonging to the other 3 APs) in every time slot. When some or all of those SMs are located at shorter distance from the tower than the target SM, noise may rise above expected RSSI.
People already suggested using a single omni antenna or 2x 180 degree sectors or a 1:4 splitter at each tower to meet his original desire to run one frequency per tower.
Using all three available frequencies at each tower to maximize his total wireless network capacity is just another option. |
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LLigetfa
join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
kudos:1 | said by lutful:Using all three available frequencies at each tower to maximize his total wireless network capacity is just another option.
Yes but using only two frequencies per tower might also be an option and may in fact make channel reuse easier.
Until such time that the OP gives us more details, it is mostly conjecture.
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| reply to Jafster
in need tower placement to properly produce a channel reuse plan, is not the same to work with 3 towers in straight horizontal line that a triangle setup.... My plan is 2 channel per tower, A/B A/C B/C ... |
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lutful... of ideasPremium
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Re: How can i use single Freq. in 4 Canopy AP's in one tower? said by aeronet:3 towers in straight horizontal line that a triangle setup.... My plan is 2 channel per tower, A/B A/C B/C ... If the towers are close together, both APs of the middle tower may see higher noise when communicating with SMs towards the edge. |
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LLigetfa
join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
kudos:1 | Lutful,
Your drawing suggests two sectors per tower but the OP wants four. Two channels per tower with four sectors would mean reusing the same channel back-to-back so North and South may be A while East and West are C.
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1 edit | Thanks to all the comments. i am learning a lot in here.
above is my current setup and i dont have any problem with my setup. but i really want to cover the whole area using the 3 towers using 3 freq. |
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| you are currently using 5 diff channels... you what to consolidate to 3? why 3 exactly? are you having issues with your PTP links?
Tower 1 and 3 appear to have 3 APs only? |
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1 edit | Actually i am using currently 4 channel but we are actually i am allowed to use 3 freq only for my Canopy PMP .
i dont have any problem with my PTP. i have a separate Freq. for that. |
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lutful... of ideasPremium
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1 edit | reply to Jafster
said by Jafster:but i really want to cover the whole area using the 3 towers using 3 freq. Here is a quick sketch using all 3 frequencies on each of your 3 towers. Of course Canopy setups use same frequency and polarity on opposite sectors all the time but I showed dotted red lines to indicate where using opposite polarity would eliminate potential problems with some SMs.
The simple reason is that a very strong rssi SM on one side could swamp a very weak rssi SM on the other side. For example a -45dBm SM talking on one side while the opposite side is trying to detect a -70dBm SM.
Regarding your current setup, even if you don't see any problems right now running same freq (5730) on 3 adjacent sectors of tower 3, eventually there would be issues with some SMs for exact same reason: strong/weak rssi SMs falling on same slot. Adding 5730 on the 4th sector would only increase the probability. |
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| That entire statement is incorrect. What experience do you base your assertions on? |
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jcremin
join:2009-12-22
Siren, WI
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1 edit | reply to Anon
Take it easy guys... you're arguing about answering a question that hasn't even been asked with enough details to give an accurate answer... and on top of that, there may be multiple answers that are just as appropriate for the situation, if the OP ever comes back and finishes explaining it.... |
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