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NJxxxJon
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[Help] Got a ticket for ALL 3 TAIL LIGHTS staying on.

Help! Great message board!

1.) Only happens when I turn my lights on. (at day when I hit the breaks everythings fine.

2.) I Have an AFTERMARKET auto-starter out of warranty put in.
3.) Can NOT use cruise control with lights on either.
4.) I do have an after market radio in.

06 Sentra with NON working Audiovox starter for winter. I have googled this shindig as well.
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I believe you must mean *brake lights* are staying on.

First thing that comes to my mind is a defective bulb, second would be a bad socket, third is wiring problem. Tail light circuit when energized is feeding over into brake light circuit. Cruise would be inop since it is seeing current on brake light circuit.

Virtually impossible to determine exact issue without seeing it of course.



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Did the lights (and/or cruise control) ever work since the starter was put in or stopped working?



NJxxxJon
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Hey YOU AGAIN! YESSSSS! haha.

2 months ~ ago I replaced a break light bulb that burned out. If that matters.

My cruise control worked ~ 5 months ago. '

Thanks!
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said by NJxxxJon:

2 months ~ ago I replaced a break light bulb that burned out. If that matters.

Yep, if you replaced a dual element bulb with a single element. You'd then be shorting out the brake lights with the parking lights. Check to make sure you have the correct bulbs, because i'll bet you don't.


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said by Jahntassa:

if you replaced a dual element bulb with a single element. You'd then be shorting out the brake lights with the parking lights. Check to make sure you have the correct bulbs, because i'll bet you don't.

You would really have to break guide pins on the single filament bulb base or destroy the dual filament base/socket to force in place the 1156 bulb (SC, SF, SP) into a socket made for the 1157 bulb (DC, DF, OP) as they are very different base designs.




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Don't know about the OP's Sentra, but my Hondas use an entirely different type of bulb. The bottom is a glass tab, and wire contacts wrap around the bottom.

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said by Bob4:

Don't know about the OP's Sentra, but my Hondas use an entirely different type of bulb. The bottom is a glass tab, and wire contacts wrap around the bottom.

Only on the high mounted light. Sentra uses the other type on the lower stop lights like Dr Olds showed.


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reply to NJxxxJon

said by NJxxxJon:

I replaced a break light bulb

It's a brake light, please.


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said by Doctor Olds:

You would really have to break guide pins on the single filament bulb base or destroy the dual filament base/socket to force in place the 1156 bulb (SC, SF, SP) into a socket made for the 1157 bulb (DC, DF, OP) as they are very different base designs.

I have seen it done many times.
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NJxxxJon
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I HIGHLY doubt this is a bulb issue.
The amount of wires under my sterring wheel is nuts!



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said by NJxxxJon:

I HIGHLY doubt this is a bulb issue.
The amount of wires under my sterring wheel is nuts!

When you hit the brakes, does the dash illumination turn on?
Check when it's dark with the lights off, it's possible it is doing it and you just haven't noticed.


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said by pmohr:

said by NJxxxJon:

I HIGHLY doubt this is a bulb issue.
The amount of wires under my sterring wheel is nuts!

When you hit the brakes, does the dash illumination turn on?
Check when it's dark with the lights off, it's possible it is doing it and you just haven't noticed.

Would this help me find my problem??? This sounds scary....haha
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pmohr
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If it's a bulb shorted, your dash lights will come on with the brake lights on, as both circuits are now common.

It won't do anything if there's a reverse current protection diode in the parking lights circuit, but I've yet to see one that does.



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Bad switch at the brake pedal? This will cause the brake lights to stay on and make the cruise control inoperable.



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said by ropeguru:

Bad switch at the brake pedal? This will cause the brake lights to stay on and make the cruise control inoperable.

I just got done on 2 old dodge cars with this problem....but my new-er sentra????? Ill look under MR pedal later on I guess.

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said by ropeguru:

Bad switch at the brake pedal? This will cause the brake lights to stay on and make the cruise control inoperable.

Nope. His problem is the brake lights stay on only when the regular lights are on:
quote:
Only happens when I turn my lights on. (at day when I hit the brakes everything's fine.


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I had the same kind problem with a work van, it was a bad ground on one of the tail light sockets. The power was back feeding into the other positive leg causing both tail and brakes to be lit up.
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years ago I had a honda civic and came out from an 8 hour shift to find my brake lights had been on the entire time. What I found out there is a plastic piece that broke off that is underneath the dash. when you let off the brake pedal the whole arm thing that the brake pedal is on comes up and touches this plastic thing, or makes contact that turns off the brake light.

maybe check something like this out?
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said by CCTVTech:

I had the same kind problem with a work van, it was a bad ground on one of the tail light sockets. The power was back feeding into the other positive leg causing both tail and brakes to be lit up.

I have one cheap mutilmeter and no paitence. I will check behind my tail-lights tonight too I guess.


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said by pmohr:

said by NJxxxJon:

I HIGHLY doubt this is a bulb issue.
The amount of wires under my sterring wheel is nuts!

When you hit the brakes, does the dash illumination turn on?
Check when it's dark with the lights off, it's possible it is doing it and you just haven't noticed.

10:25 UPDATE! Went out into my work parking lot and YES! THE DASH LIGHTS UP and the BEEP LIKE the key is in the IGNITION! WHAT THE HECK????
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pmohr
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said by NJxxxJon:

said by pmohr:

said by NJxxxJon:

I HIGHLY doubt this is a bulb issue.
The amount of wires under my sterring wheel is nuts!

When you hit the brakes, does the dash illumination turn on?
Check when it's dark with the lights off, it's possible it is doing it and you just haven't noticed.

10:25 UPDATE! Went out into my work parking lot and YES! THE DASH LIGHTS UP and the BEEP LIKE the key is in the IGNITION! WHAT THE HECK????

Pull out that bulb you installed and recheck.


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said by Doctor Olds:

You would really have to break guide pins on the single filament bulb base or destroy the dual filament base/socket to force in place the 1156 bulb (SC, SF, SP) into a socket made for the 1157 bulb (DC, DF, OP) as they are very different base designs.

Don't under estimate an idiot. My popup trailer had all the 1157 bulbs replaced with 1156 (or should I say forced). I nearly broke then trying to get them out and I had to bend the sockets back as they had splayed out from the force. All the lights shorted together so previous owner put on magnetic tow lights.

Not to insult, the OP though. My trailer had all-steel sockets and an idiot did force a bulb in. Most cars have now have cheap plastic sockets that only have a notch for one of the 1157 pins so single-filament bulbs just pop in or are so sloppy, you could put almost anything in them.

Sounds like a good place to start. Also could be a 1156 bulb with 1157 flanges (made in China) have seen worse.

Can also be the contacts in the sockets. Some have small copper tabs for the bottom contacts that can easily bend and short as the bulb is twisted in. Some of the new style bulbs that twist into a circuit board can short if not turned all the way.

On my trailer, everything was shorted together. I started pulling bulbs and checking things; voltages, resistances etc. Only when I pulled both brake/turn bulbs that it was fixed.
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said by shdesigns:

Can also be the contacts in the sockets. Some have small copper tabs for the bottom contacts that can easily bend and short as the bulb is twisted in. Some of the new style bulbs that twist into a circuit board can short if not turned all the way.

On my trailer, everything was shorted together. I started pulling bulbs and checking things; voltages, resistances etc. Only when I pulled both brake/turn bulbs that it was fixed.

Saw this many times back in the day when I was a truck mechanic. The lamp-holder contacts were just copper alloy caps crimped onto the end of a piece of wire, and the wires were fitted through small springs and then grommets in holes in the bottom of the socket; the socket body, with the notches for the tabs, also served as the ground for the bulbs. Not uncommon at all to find an 1156 jammed into a socket meant for an 1157, with the contact on the base of the 1156 bulb shorting together the wires for the tail light to the wire for turn/brake signal.
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said by Bob4:

said by ropeguru:

Bad switch at the brake pedal? This will cause the brake lights to stay on and make the cruise control inoperable.

Nope. His problem is the brake lights stay on only when the regular lights are on:
quote:
Only happens when I turn my lights on. (at day when I hit the brakes everything's fine.

Completely missed that part.. And uit was soooo obvious too...


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said by Doctor Olds:

said by Jahntassa:

if you replaced a dual element bulb with a single element. You'd then be shorting out the brake lights with the parking lights. Check to make sure you have the correct bulbs, because i'll bet you don't.

You would really have to break guide pins on the single filament bulb base or destroy the dual filament base/socket to force in place the 1156 bulb (SC, SF, SP) into a socket made for the 1157 bulb (DC, DF, OP) as they are very different base designs.

Absolutely agree, which is why I had to change out the driver side brake / parking light in my friends used car after he bought it.

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said by NJxxxJon:

10:25 UPDATE! Went out into my work parking lot and YES! THE DASH LIGHTS UP and the BEEP LIKE the key is in the IGNITION! WHAT THE HECK????

Have you tried disconnecting the remote starter unit. It could be defective and causing havoc.


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said by number2:

Have you tried disconnecting the remote starter unit. It could be defective and causing havoc.

This is an extremely good idea.

Keep in mind that depending on whether the vehicle has immobilizer type keys, this might not be straightforward.
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Might sound dumb but some types of bulbs must be installed the right way, as they have 2 filaments and one is brighter than the other. Had this issue before with parking lights being brighter than blinkers.

Otherwise it must be some electrical gremlin in a switch or module.
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OP, how are things going?