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chrisf8657

join:2002-01-27
Glendale, AZ
reply to HarpSupport

Re: [CT] Netflix SuperHD?

Well,

I hope Cox works it out with them. I'd certainly think it would help with bandwidth concerns and let us see some nice super-HD programming.

I'm fine either way. I want Cox to start pushing out IPV6 more...
--
~~Chris~~

Need a pro computer tech? See my profile for my website - I offer remote support services!


djdanska
Rudie32
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
San Diego, CA
kudos:4
reply to HarpSupport
That page says it's not available here yet my tivo premiere does switch into 1080p while viewing now. Never did that before. Happens on all titles listed as SuperHD. My roku? No change.
Cox san diego, ca


skeechan
Ai Otsukaholic
Premium
join:2012-01-26
AA169|170
kudos:2
reply to HarpSupport
Not up in Orange County, CA

Foxbat121

join:2001-04-25
Herndon, VA
reply to Needleinthha
IIRC, Super HD is merely 5.8 mbps. Not exactly will be Blu Ray like quality which are typically 20 to 30 mbps.

Foxbat121

join:2001-04-25
Herndon, VA
reply to NormanS
said by NormanS:

IMy understanding of Netflix "Open Connect" is that Netflix places their streaming servers directly on the ISP transit network, such that traversal of third party transit is not necessary.

Not necessary. See the technical explanation here:
»signup.netflix.com/openconnect

Needleinthha

join:2009-11-30
reply to NormanS
Anyone actually used SuperHD yet? How is it? Much different than normal netflix HD streams?


NormanS
I gave her time to steal my mind away
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:12
Reviews:
·SONIC.NET
·Pacific Bell - SBC
reply to Foxbat121
I wonder. I was fooling around, but think I got it wrong the first time.

While running a Hulu clip, I ran 'netstat -aon' and came up with:
  TCP    192.168.42.36:50700    209.170.97.214:443     ESTABLISHED     3644
  TCP    192.168.42.36:50722    17.149.36.185:5223     ESTABLISHED     1916
  TCP    192.168.42.36:54128    198.87.182.173:80      ESTABLISHED     4568
  TCP    192.168.42.36:54188    173.228.66.8:80        ESTABLISHED     3960
  TCP    192.168.42.36:54190    173.228.66.10:80       ESTABLISHED     3960
  TCP    192.168.42.36:54195    74.125.224.131:80      ESTABLISHED     3960
  TCP    192.168.42.36:54197    173.228.66.10:80       ESTABLISHED     3960
  TCP    192.168.42.36:54198    173.228.66.9:80        ESTABLISHED     3960
 

209.170.97.214 appears to be Akami in Los Angeles, California:
NetRange        209.170.97.0 - 209.170.97.255
CIDR            209.170.97.0/24
Name            AKAMAI
Handle          NET-209-170-97-0-1
Parent          TELIANET-2BLK (NET-209-170-64-0-1) 
 
Most likely the streaming server for Hulu. Trace route shows:
Tracing route to 209.170.97.214 over a maximum of 30 hops
 
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms     1 ms  192.168.42.1
  2    26 ms    25 ms    26 ms  173-228-7-1.dsl.static.sonic.net [173.228.7.1]
  3    25 ms    24 ms    25 ms  gig1-4.cr1.lsatca11.sonic.net [70.36.243.13]
  4    25 ms    25 ms    24 ms  0.xe-5-1-0.gw.pao1.sonic.net [69.12.211.1]
  5    25 ms    25 ms    25 ms  0.xe-6-1-0.gw2.200p-sf.sonic.net [64.142.0.109]
  6    26 ms    26 ms    25 ms  as0.gw.200p-sf.sonic.net [208.106.96.249]
  7    25 ms    26 ms    26 ms  xe-10-1-0.bar2.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net [4.53.134.9]
  8    27 ms    28 ms    27 ms  ae-6-6.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.69.140.154]
  9    29 ms    27 ms    27 ms  ae-92-92.csw4.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.69.153.30]
 10    32 ms    27 ms    26 ms  ae-4-90.edge2.SanJose3.Level3.net [4.69.152.209]
 11    26 ms    46 ms    26 ms  sjo-bb1-link.telia.net [213.248.98.29]
 12    36 ms    36 ms    37 ms  las-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.247.170]
 13    37 ms    36 ms    36 ms  209.170.97.214
 
Trace complete.
 
So Hulu content apparently requires leaving Sonic.net (my ISP) transit to traverse Level 3 and Telia to reach the Hulu content.

My understanding of Netflix "Open Connect" is that Netflix places their streaming servers directly on the ISP transit network, such that traversal of third party transit is not necessary.

I need to set up a Netflix account to test this.

Sonic.net, LLC is ready!


--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum


NormanS
I gave her time to steal my mind away
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:12

2 edits
reply to dlarkin_dc
Working up a better explanation; should also apply to the respondent to your post.

Foxbat121

join:2001-04-25
Herndon, VA
reply to dlarkin_dc
Because of the bandwidth caps I believe. Netflix want a way for cable providers to not enforce bandwidth caps on Netflix streaming and Super HD is Netflix's leverage it appears.


dlarkin_dc

join:2009-08-24
Alexandria, VA
Reviews:
·VOIPO
·Cox HSI
reply to HarpSupport
Not here in NOVA.

Has Cox Communications put a press release out on this? I agree that the big HSI companies will hold out on "Open Connect" because of their own OnDemand type offerings.

Ironically, the reason I dropped my DTV was Cox couldn't give me a quality picture at 720, or steady PQ. I've never had even the merest a hiccup with streaming Vudu HDX - The bandwidth is there!

Which makes me wonder... why does Netflix need an "Open Connect" and HSI providers cooperation when other streaming services don't?
--
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OTA (...and proud of it!)
VOIPo


NormanS
I gave her time to steal my mind away
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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Reviews:
·SONIC.NET
·Pacific Bell - SBC
reply to lilstone87
said by lilstone87:

Hmm well that is odd, as you would think if one area of cox is working, all there market's would be green lighted for this. I know for me it's saying no, and so this may be a good topic for discussion. I don't need top quality for watching netflix, but it should be an option to me. As I am a ultimate tier customer, and 100mbps down is plenty of bandwidth speed to run multiple stream's if I want.

My understanding is that the ISP provides for local placement of a Netflix server farm on the ISP transit network. I suspect that would mean Cox-Virginia and Cox-Oklahoma would have to host Netflix Open Connect on their local transit networks. The idea seems to be for the ISP customer to not leave ISP transit on the way to the Netflix streaming servers.

Trying to decide how to best test my ideas ...
--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum


BillRoland
Premium
join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
kudos:3
reply to HarpSupport
Your Internet Provider is not configured for Super HD yet.

HarpSupport

join:2010-07-20
Manchester, CT
reply to HarpSupport
Logitech Revue shows and plays SuperHD.


BryanInPHX
Premium
join:2001-03-06
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Cox HSI

2 edits
reply to BryanInPHX
The TiVo Premiere Netflix App does show which Titles are available in Super HD.
According to a few reports TiVo Premiere does support Super HD even though Netflix does not list it.
»www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/sh···t=500656

The Roku 2 XS 1080p Netflix App does not list Super HD availability in Titles. The current Roku Netflix App looks like the old TiVo Neflix App.
*Note: Although some Super HD eligible Roku devices do not currently display the Super HD logo, we continue to provide Super HD video quality for these devices.


Optimus2357
Premium
join:2010-11-21
West Warwick, RI
kudos:3
reply to HarpSupport
Your Internet Provider is ready for Super HD!

Have it in RI. Is it not compatible if streaming from a PC? Only devices?

ajwees41
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Omaha, NE
reply to HarpSupport
no support in Omaha yet.


BryanInPHX
Premium
join:2001-03-06
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:2
reply to HarpSupport
Mine:
Your Internet Provider is not configured for Super HD yet.

lilstone87

join:2009-04-09
Portsmouth, VA
kudos:3
reply to HarpSupport
Hmm well that is odd, as you would think if one area of cox is working, all there market's would be green lighted for this. I know for me it's saying no, and so this may be a good topic for discussion. I don't need top quality for watching netflix, but it should be an option to me. As I am a ultimate tier customer, and 100mbps down is plenty of bandwidth speed to run multiple stream's if I want.

HarpSupport

join:2010-07-20
Manchester, CT
reply to HarpSupport
Right -it shows that they've joined for at least my headend - I was just wondering if anybody else was seeing it.


No_Strings
Premium,MVM,Ex-Mod 2008-13
join:2001-11-22
The OC
kudos:6
reply to HarpSupport
"Netflix Super HD requires that your Internet Provider is part of the Netflix Open Connect network. Please contact your Internet Provider to request that they join the Netflix Open Connect network so you can get Super HD."

Vudu works fine, even on Preferred, for what they call HDX According to the Netflix list, not all playback devices are supported for Super HD. .

HarpSupport

join:2010-07-20
Manchester, CT
reply to HarpSupport
Click for full size
SuperHD Available - Cox CT
Maybe for you - but for me it says I'm good. I attached a screenshot.

lilstone87

join:2009-04-09
Portsmouth, VA
kudos:3
reply to HarpSupport
No cox hasn't joined the Open Connect Network yet. It says it when you go to that link.

HarpSupport

join:2010-07-20
Manchester, CT
Is anybody else seeing Netflix SuperHD available now? I guess Cox joined the Open Connect network? Check here: »signup.netflix.com/superhd

If only this meant that Netflix wouldn't be counted against the cap...