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LazMan
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canada
reply to m12345s

Re: Ethernet Jacks vs. Drilling under floor

If the phone wiring is in decent shape, it doesn't really matter... After 3/4 of a mile, an extra 20' won't matter much.

If the wiring is iffy or in poor shape, getting as close to the demarc/NID as you can it a good idea; or better yet, since you're running cable anyways, run a new line straight from the NID to where you want the modem...


LLigetfa

join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
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reply to LazMan

said by LazMan:

If it's just for Ethernet, you don't need a box - a low-voltage ring works fine...

Those rings are fine if you don't have air infiltration issues. Reno boxes are easier to seal around.
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Anav
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reply to m12345s

Okay, nice thread very useful.

My two cents that I dont think were yet noted.

Its a crawl space, ASSUME, rodents will get in there.
Thus I would absolutely put the wires in some PVC conduit and protect the wires right up snug against the wood and siicone any air gaps at both ends.

Second, I would go with a minimum of Cat5e, not Cat5.
Great project, you shoud do it. But plan for future installs at the same time. Are there are other rooms that may need jacks^^^
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Hank
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Excellent comments Anav. Thanks for pointing it out, i just get so used to referring to CAT5e as CAT5 I didn't give it a second thought.


m12345s

join:2010-10-13
Bolivar, MO
reply to Anav

Good points, I actually already have some CAT6 cable, so I should be good to go there, the crawlspace is sealed pretty tight, but I know mice could potentially get in there, they can squeeze into any tiny opening, but we do have about 10 cats outside, so I haven't seen a mouse in years around here. Internet is supposed to be activated tommorow, after that I will gather all my supplies and materials needed and maybe work on it this weekend. Thanks for all the useful advice on here.



Anav
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Well if nothing else will keep ants and spiders and the like off the wires.



NormanS
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said by m12345s:

So you are recommending using the reno boxes, then cutting a hole in the wall big enough for the plate? I know it would look much better and much cleaner doing it like this, I can get to the crawl space very easily, its just a matter of how difficult this is to do, I have never attempted anything like this before. Can you please post a link of these boxes? Thanks.

I'd suggest "mud rings" instead of boxes for Ethernet and coax work. That is what Home Depot calls them; same as "reno" (from "renovation") boxes, but without the box.

»www.homedepot.com/Electrical/h_d···Elqk31-4

Also see:

»www.hometech.com/hts/products/wi···voltage/
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m12345s

join:2010-10-13
Bolivar, MO

Those look great, internet was activated yesterday (a day early) and it is working great so far. There is a RadioShack here in town, do you think they would have some of the things I need? The closest Lowes or Home Depot is a good 45 minutes to an hour away.


m12345s

join:2010-10-13
Bolivar, MO
reply to m12345s

Hey guys, just trying to think of all the materials Im going to be needing, I was wondering since I already have about a 30 FT cat6 cable that already has the ends on it, could I run that cable in between the 2 jacks? Then just use short patch cable from the wall jacks to the computer? Thanks



shdesigns
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said by m12345s:

Hey guys, just trying to think of all the materials Im going to be needing, I was wondering since I already have about a 30 FT cat6 cable that already has the ends on it, could I run that cable in between the 2 jacks? Then just use short patch cable from the wall jacks to the computer? Thanks

the 30ft cable will be stranded while the common jacks will have punchdowns for solid wire.

You can use a wall plate with an inline coupler. Look at monoprice.com and search for item 7302.
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m12345s

join:2010-10-13
Bolivar, MO

So the cable going from jack to jack wont have ends at all? So I will need to get some cable without ends?



shdesigns
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With the inline connector you can use the ends.

Otherwise, you'll need to get some solid CAT5e cable.



wayjac
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join:2001-12-22
Indy
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reply to m12345s

Typically....cable that is behind wallboard is solid conductor without the modular rj45 connector. The backside of the wallplate will accept the cables solid conductors.

Patch cables will have installed rj45 connectors and the conductors will be stranded.


m12345s

join:2010-10-13
Bolivar, MO

Yes, but since I already have about the perfect amount of cable I'm going to need with ends on it, should I use that or buy more cable without ends?



NormanS
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I would buy the solid conductor cable. You can get it in bulk. I'd get two feet over the estimated run for each run; i.e., for a 28' run, a 21' run, and a 14' run: 28+21+14+6=69'. I'd probably round that up to 75', just in case.

I don't recal how much I bought for my project, but I had a couple of 35' runs, and one nearly 50'.

I saved the 100' patch cable for other use; it comes in handy for testing at the NID.
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wayjac
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said by m12345s:

Yes, but since I already have about the perfect amount of cable I'm going to need with ends on it, should I use that or buy more cable without ends?

Ok, I'll make a decision for you........

Since you already have about the perfect amount of cable you're going to need with ends on it use that.

You can buy more cable without ends if you find out that's what you need/want in the future.


mattmag
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NW Illinois
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reply to m12345s

said by m12345s:

Hey guys, just trying to think of all the materials Im going to be needing, I was wondering since I already have about a 30 FT cat6 cable that already has the ends on it, could I run that cable in between the 2 jacks? Then just use short patch cable from the wall jacks to the computer? Thanks

I may have missed something, but how are you going to wire multiple jacks in different rooms with only one piece of cable?

m12345s

join:2010-10-13
Bolivar, MO

I'm needing 2 jacks, one about 30ft away, the other 20ft away, I have 2 cat6 cables the perfect length, so I was wondering if it was OK to use the cables that I already have even though they aren't in strands, they have ends, really they are patch cables, but should work fine for what I'm wanting to do.