 hm
@videotron.ca | The New Wireless Code Hearings. Live Stream @ 9-am The hearings on the new wireless code starts at 9-am today.
English: »crtc.gc.ca/streaming/stream1-eng.htm
French: »crtc.gc.ca/streaming/stream1-frn.htm
Also to be carried on cpac.ca
Schedule of events of who is speaking when:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/telecom/eng/heari···1_02.htm
Monday, 11 February 2013
1. Public Interest Advocacy Centre (PIAC), Consumers’ Association of Canada and Council of Senior Citizens' Organizations of British Columbia (int. #1,073)
2. CWTA - Canadian Wireless Telecommunications Association (int. #1,048)
3. Union des consommateurs (int. #1,066)
4. TELUS Communications Company (int. #1,074)
On Thursday, Feb 14th, JF's turn will come up.
Today may set a lot of the tone. It seems that Bell and PIAC both commissions some sort of legal advice and were given legal advice that Provincial Consumer laws are trumped by any code the CRTC may come up with (or something like this).
I find this a bit hard to believe that some code with no teeth administered by a group of telco owners (ie CCTS) will trump consumer laws, but this is what Geist tweeted.
Quebec pulled out of the hearings stating it will not allow their consumer laws that protect people to be diluted. However, I believe this to be an attack on all prov's who made their own wireless consumer laws, and to prevent other prov's from doing the same.
The Consumer groups kick this off... |
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 mlernerPremium
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Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | The CCTS would not be the one administering the code and I saw a tweet recently that Federal policy in this case can override Provincial so Quebec can complain all they want but it will be applied to them regardless. |
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Anyone know the url for VLC? I tried:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/streaming/stream1-eng.asx
Thx! |
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mlernerPremium
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kudos:5 | That's for Windows Media, you just need the right codec. I'm not sure if there is another format you can stream with VLC. |
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| said by mlerner:That's for Windows Media, you just need the right codec. I'm not sure if there is another format you can stream with VLC.
VLC plays just about anything you throw at it. |
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@videotron.ca | reply to mlerner
said by mlerner:The CCTS would not be the one administering the code and I saw a tweet recently that Federal policy in this case can override Provincial so Quebec can complain all they want but it will be applied to them regardless.
How anti-quebec of you. However, this *is not* only against Quebec. But rather Manitoba and PEI who put out tougher consumer laws than Quebec's.
In other words, they are fighting every province, in all of Canada, who want to protect their citizens from vultures and deceptive practices. This isn't about Quebec. Very myopic of you.
However, I can see a fight coming of this, depending on how it goes. And it would be justified. |
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@videotron.ca | reply to derekm
»www.cpac.ca/eng/direct/cpac2 ? |
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»mms://STREAMER.crtc.gc.ca/stream1-english
Will get it on VLC |
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mlernerPremium
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kudos:5 | reply to hm
said by hm :said by mlerner:The CCTS would not be the one administering the code and I saw a tweet recently that Federal policy in this case can override Provincial so Quebec can complain all they want but it will be applied to them regardless.
How anti-quebec of you. However, this *is not* only against Quebec. But rather Manitoba and PEI who put out tougher consumer laws than Quebec's. In other words, they are fighting every province, in all of Canada, who want to protect their citizens from vultures and deceptive practices. This isn't about Quebec. Very myopic of you. However, I can see a fight coming of this, depending on how it goes. And it would be justified. I am just stating the info as I've received it, I am not anti-Quebec and if I was, it would be unlikely I was living in Ottawa. Since consumers are having input on this as well as consumer groups in a public proceeding and consultation, I don't see why there would be a fight other than the provinces but if the consumers are happy with the code as the code is intended for us only, there is no justified reason.
How do provincial laws with no public feedback justify blanket rules? |
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3 edits | reply to hm
Commissioner's comments:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/com200/2013/s130211.htm
PIAC's comments:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/depot/PIAC%20Oral···ents.pdf
PIAC's positions - side by side the CRTC proposal to make it easier to understand:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/depot/PIAC.pdf
CWTA comments:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/depot/CWTA.pdf
Union des consommateurs comments:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/depot/union%20de%···eurs.pdf
Telus comments:
»t.co/FdO56bBn
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@videotron.ca | Also see:
»PIAC throwing cellphone users under the bus
If the "arms-length CRTC" wants to make some code, fine. But they shouldn't be meddling in the affairs of provincial consumer protection legislation of any province. Be it Manitoba, PEI or Quebec.
PIAC is a sell out. |
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Russell Mcormond makes the case as well in the comment section of Peter Nowak's blog:
»wordsbynowak.com/2013/02/11/piac-wireless/ |
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The CWTA stated that this new code should over-ride and supersede any provincial Consumer Protection regulations.
For example, some provinces has strict Consumer Protection regulations that prevent Bell and Rogers from automatically renewing contracts. This would see this eliminated if PIAC and the CWTA have their way.
People think that's right? |
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@videotron.ca | CWTA is stating, more or less, to hell with Quebec Provincial Consumer Protect laws.
Commissioner stated, Quebecor will be bringing more up on Friday.
CWTA wants Anything that touches telecom to follow new code and not Consumer Protection laws.
Commissioner stated, Quebec threatened to withdraw from the fed code in it's entirety if they lessen Quebec Consumer Protection rights.
What have the other Prov's stated? Anything? |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
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Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | reply to hm
Whatever the CRTC or mlerner think, the CRTC does not have the jurisdiction to overrule Quebec's consumer protection laws.
The CRTC does not create laws. It creates regulation. Regulation cannot supercede laws.
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mlernerPremium
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kudos:5 | said by Guspaz:Whatever the CRTC or mlerner think, the CRTC does not have the jurisdiction to overrule Quebec's consumer protection laws.
The CRTC does not create laws. It creates regulation. Regulation cannot supercede laws.
I'm not sure about new regulations but that is not entirely correct. Regulations are a form of law as far as the Federal Government is concerned and the Telecommunications Act does take precedence over provincial as far as I understand. |
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| I'd be all for a Quebec CRTC if the feds start meddling in provincial contract laws and the newish wireless consumer protection laws. |
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GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
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Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | reply to hm
I'm not aware of anywhere in the telecommunication act that gives the CRTC jurisdiction over provincial consumer protection laws...
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| said by Guspaz:I'm not aware of anywhere in the telecommunication act that gives the CRTC jurisdiction over provincial consumer protection laws...
I'm not aware of anything in the telecommunication act that tells the CRTC to be a puppet for the big 3, but we all know it happens |
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| Telus stated that implementing the Quebec Consumer Protection laws cost them nothing much and it turned out great for them in the end. Was better for them and their customers. |
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