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RicHSAD

join:2003-07-16
Vaudreuil-Dorion, QC
reply to MaynardKrebs

Re: The New Wireless Code Hearings. Live Stream @ 9-am

She's good ..


MaynardKrebs
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reply to hm

The question the CRTC should ask is

If carriers were banned from selling handsets would the carriers offer
month-by-month
and
1, 2, and 3 year contracts for cell services?


MaynardKrebs
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reply to hm

Daniels just contradicted Bell's earlier statements that phones are being held on to for 48 months (the 'magic' ETF divisor)



laff

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said by MaynardKrebs:

Oosterman: Canadian carriers are envy of the world.

That's some F'n strong kool aid.


hm

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reply to MaynardKrebs

said by MaynardKrebs:

CRTC should rule that all handsets sold unlocked, debranded.

They say locked devices lowers cost for consumers. Commissioner asks How much. Bell doesn't know since he only made that statement up.

In addition, they do indeed pay extra for branded locked-out firmware. And we all pay extra for that.

She's asking the right questions...


hm

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said by MaynardKrebs:

CRTC should contact the suppliers directly to get their answers vs. Bhell's response.

As previously stated a few pages back, they need to get the major brands in to question them for the public record.

Otherwise the bullsh*t won't stop.


Argh

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reply to MaynardKrebs

When the heck are they going to break for lunch????
Argh



Lunch Time

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reply to MaynardKrebs

JF is wired on caffeine.



Guspaz
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reply to hm

Here's an idea, if the customer is paying full price for the device, OR the customer is contractually obligated to repay the subsidy if they cancel early, locking devices should be forbidden.

The only case in which a lock should be permissible is if a phone is sold to the consumer at a subsidized price, AND there is no obligation to repay that subsidy (no ETF). In that case, sure, you got free money, the lock is the compromise, the cost for that.

There is no justification for locking a phone because of a discount if I have to repay the discount to cancel anyhow.
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MaynardKrebs
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+1
But the incumbents will say it's too complex to administer, anti-competitive, and that it waters down their control of the market which Canadians want them to have (according to a survey they commissioned of their own employees).



Guspaz
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Then take the simpler solution: don't lock any device ever. Boom, problem solved.
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MaynardKrebs
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That's what I've been saying all along - unlocked, debranded, o/s updates direct from the manufacturer, no bloat/crapware installed.


MaynardKrebs
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reply to Lunch Time

said by Lunch Time :

JF is wired on caffeine.

SOP - standard operating procedure

Red Bull would go broke if it wasn't for him.


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reply to Lunch Time

said by Lunch Time :

JF is wired on caffeine.

Somebody needs to grow some balls and fix whatever it is that's keeping him from this place.

...and that's all I have to say about THAT.



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reply to hm

I feel awful that I haven't been listening in on these. Glad I'm queued up now, right before JF takes to the stage.

Expand your moderator at work

MaynardKrebs
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Re: The New Wireless Code Hearings. Live Stream @ 9-am

As usual, JF is making good points.


MaynardKrebs
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reply to hm

JF should have also mentioned the security aspect of getting o/s updates direct from manufacturers. With phones rapidly becoming vectors for attack into corporate/government networks, we can't wait for carriers to update the o/s (if they ever do it).


icemasta

join:2013-01-22
reply to hm

Sorry, I paused the broadcast a couple hours back and resumed it.

Listening to Bell's answers, especially Oosterman's responses, I have no idea who would want to a Bell customer. Can't believe Oosterman's responses to why Bell doesn't offer certain elements such as 1 and 2 year contracts is to just go to a competing carrier that does.



hm

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reply to hm

JF is now up
(refresh if required).



Power House

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reply to creed3020

JF is doing good.
Hitting points we have discussed here.



hm

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reply to creed3020

WOW!
He is better than all the consumer groups put together.

Redbull is kicking in!



hm

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reply to creed3020

JF is blowing me away. He is f'n good. He makes too much sense.

Bet he "accidentally" gets hits by a Bell van on the way home.



hm

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reply to MaynardKrebs

said by MaynardKrebs:

JF should have also mentioned the security aspect of getting o/s updates direct from manufacturers. With phones rapidly becoming vectors for attack into corporate/government networks, we can't wait for carriers to update the o/s (if they ever do it).

He's aware of it


hm

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reply to MaynardKrebs

JF mentioned that you should be able to use a credit a year or 2 later.

Thing is, only *SOME* prov's have consumer protection laws that clearly dictate they do not expire, like in Quebec.

The rest of Canada expires.

Again PIAC is supporting expiry dates on credits, like Bell, Telus, Rogers and the CWTA. Thus pushing consumer protection laws back a decade.



creed3020
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reply to hm

"Yes Bell please lock me up for 3 painful years" lol

JF knock this answer out of the park


icemasta

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reply to hm

Sorry, whose JF that we're talking about?


MaynardKrebs
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reply to hm

This is the point where JF should say "Bite me"



hm

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reply to icemasta

said by icemasta:

Sorry, whose JF that we're talking about?

The guy talking now.

MaynardKrebs
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reply to hm

If the carriers don't know what contract T&C's were in effect at a point in time, then they are idiots.

Corporate counsel or Corporate Secretary WILL have this stuff on-file.