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DataRiker
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People are dumb enough to pay

I paid about 20 USD for a prepaid phone in SK with unlimited text, calling, tv (not data), and 10 gigs of data

In most places prices are lowered because people simply won't pay it.

In the US, low income people have no problems paying 30% of their income on a phone bill. And Middle to High income have no problems paying 150+ dollars a month.

I pay 35 dollars a month, and I will never pay a penny more.



MovieLover76

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I don't think anyone pays 30%of their income. even at AT&T and Verizon the average smartphone cell phone bill is $100. At that rate they'd have to make only $300 - $400 a month for it to work out to 30%, even flipping burgers at mcdonalds, minimum wage full time should bring in $1000 a month.

For middle to high income, I'll agree to the 150+ dollars a month for a lot of people, myself I'm more frugal I only pay $49 a month for prepaid unlimited text, calling and 4GB of data, no overages, just throttling to 2G speeds. Some users in the US are catching on, prepaid is getting more and more popular for smartphones. But the average consumer won't leave the big 4 and their retail stores.

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tphillips
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Apopka, FL
reply to MovieLover76

Re: People are dumb enough to pay

I'm with you. I switched 2 months ago and will not look back. My $225+ monthly mobile bill (family plan) is now over. I guess some people dont mind paying this, just not me.


NOVA_UAV_Guy
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reply to DataRiker

said by DataRiker:

In the US, low income people have no problems paying 30% of their income on a phone bill.

[soapbox]

That's only because their lifestyles are enhanced by government hand-outs provided by taxing people who actually work to earn what they enjoy.

And then, of course, we have these stupid cell phone give-away programs to low income people that include data and texting in their plans. I've never understood the value proposition here - there's a clear public cost to doing this, with no real benefit other than making a few poor people feel a little better about themselves by having a shiny toy to play with.

[/soapbox]

Telco

join:2008-12-19

Any actual evidence to back this beyond the typical scapegoats of Faux news, Beck, Rush etc?

What's even more laughable is this coming from anyone in the NOVA area, whose bread and butter is government.



MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
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reply to NOVA_UAV_Guy

First of all your information isn't even correct, the phones do not include data for free, the cell phone plans gives 250mins and 250 texts for free each month to people who make less than 14k a year. It's not a toy, it's basic phone service for people who can't afford it.

and your horribly misinformed you think their are a bunch of poor people living well off government handouts, programs for the poor increase employment opportunities and give the poor's children a chance to pull themselves up.


BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA

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It's still a cost to us the tax payer ! Get a job hippie !


NOVA_UAV_Guy
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reply to Telco

said by Telco:

What's even more laughable is this coming from anyone in the NOVA area, whose bread and butter is government.

You know, there are some of us who live in Northern Virginia who support limited government with reasonable and sane levels of spending. We also tend to support a government that doesn't tell telcos that they need to pay into a fund that gives out free luxury items (like cell phones) just because they're "poor".

We also tend to be the ones who are smart enough and ambitious enough to not settle for the mediocre jobs that one generally finds with government agencies. We're generally called things like "business owners", "fiscally conservative" and "responsible members of society".

Since this has nothing to 4G data, this will be the last post I'll make in this area of the thread.

b10010011
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reply to Telco

said by Telco:

Any actual evidence to back this beyond the typical scapegoats of Faux news, Beck, Rush etc?

Actually the "lifeline" phone program was started by Ronald Reagan in 1985 to provide free phones to low income families.
This program was then expanded to free cellular phones by the Bush administration in 2008.

Try as they might blame this on Obama.
Obama has nothing to do with the "Obamaphone" except he happens to be President.

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NOVA_UAV_Guy
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said by b10010011:

Actually the "lifeline" phone program was started by Ronald Reagan in 1985 to provide free phones to low income families.
This program was then expanded to free cellular phones by the Bush administration in 2008.

Funny. I found a site that mentioned the program actually started in 1996 under Clinton. »www.patheos.com/blogs/philosophi···ma-phon/

Not sure how accurate that is, but it still shows that the whole debacle started prior to Obama - which I think was the point you were trying to make.

Of course, no matter who it started under, it still doesn't mean that the program was a particularly good idea. As I understand it, the program has our telcos paying a fee to support Lifeline - which is then happily passed along to consumers in the form of higher prices. At the end of the day, it still means that you and I pay more to support the burgeoning welfare state of people who shouldn't be granted the privilege of owning a cell phone at others' expense.
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bcoleman71

join:2007-09-18
Dallas, TX

It started under Reagan. I was in middle school when this plan was going into effect. I remember reading about it. There was a change in the plan under Clinton and it was expanded under Bush, but yeah, the plan was totally in effect long before Obama became President.



cb14

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reply to DataRiker

I partially agree with you. However, the worst rip off in the US are not the post paid plans, but the prepaid ones, especially for the (poor) peo9ple who are trying to limit their use to the bare necessity. Also low minute post paid plans are extremely expensive in the US.
Prepaid plans are much better in Western European countries, so are low usage post paid plans.
It is not just about the price. 20 euro refill is valid for 12 months and even after that you get a few months to catch up without losing your phone number and credit. great for people using the phone only for SMS and emergencies.Also, the coverage on prepaid phones is usually the same as on post paid ones, including international coverage. BIG difference.
The true rip off comes with the broadband. the prices in the US are 2-3 times higher than in Germany for the same( or worse) product. Absolutely insane, but what do you want to do?


b10010011
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said by cb14:

I partially agree with you. However, the worst rip off in the US are not the post paid plans, but the prepaid ones, especially for the (poor) peo9ple who are trying to limit their use to the bare necessity. Also low minute post paid plans are extremely expensive in the US.

Sure the pre-paid per minute rate is horrible but I have been using Verizon pre-paid for over a decade now. I get full coverage, plus roaming, even international roaming (Canada) and I only pay $15 a month as I have to buy a $30 card every 60 days unused money rolls over.
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cb14

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Verizon is just about the only carrier left with the same coverage on prepaid and post paid plans. Alltel used to be, and MUCH cheaper. I still have my old Alltel plan on my Verizon prepaid which I use as a back up for my TMO phone. And yes they do offer international roaming but you will not get far with CDMA.