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hm

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Re: Start communications as of Feb-11-2013 2Mb DSL service

said by Davesnothere:

In 2012, almost NOBODY there qualified for FTTN, so max at up to 5 or 6 Mbps legacy DSL was best case.

Hmm, I corrected your mistake.

Rocca needs to run some kind of script to actually find out exactly how many legacy DSL people have what they bought.


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I still fail to see the point of this thread.



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said by hm :

Is that the same qualification database people use to find out what service they can get at their home?

Yes, it's broken down into estimated speeds of 0.6, 1.5, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 10, 15 and 25.

said by hm :

Even I qualify for 5-meg DSL internet. But there is no one for a 3 block radius that can get above 3. 2 is the average.

Oh absolutely, the legacy DSL is definitely an 'up to' type of service but always has been, the FTTN on the other hand is considerably more accurate/consistent.


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said by Davesnothere:

That 4% figure strikes me as low/fudged.

I really don't have any reason to fudge the numbers. Just telling you what the database says.

Unfortunately I don't have a way to break it down by postal codes or cities very easily, sorry.

As for the >= 15/1 question ... 49%.


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said by rogersmogers :

I still fail to see the point of this thread.

:)

The fact is that DSL isn't selling nearly as much as cable and almost none of it is for 2Mbps. Other ISP's may decide to offer it still and that's great for those that find that niche, but for us despite the theoretical potential interest in it, there was no demand over several months and was subsequently dropped as part of a realignment for new offers coming out next month.

...we also stopped offering our paging service and dialup accelerator last year, and FrontPage 2002 extensions a while before that.
Expand your moderator at work


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Re: Start communications as of Feb-11-2013 2Mb DSL service

said by hm :

said by Davesnothere:

In 2012, almost NOBODY there qualified for FTTN, so max at up TWO 5 or 6 Mbps legacy DSL was best case.

Hmm, I corrected your mistake....

And I amended your correction.

See folks, the 2 is still there !


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said by rocca:

said by Davesnothere:

That 4% figure strikes me as low/fudged.

I really don't have any reason to fudge the numbers. Just telling you what the database says.

Unfortunately I don't have a way to break it down by postal codes or cities very easily, sorry.

As for the >= 15/1 question ... 49%.

 
YOU aren't spinning anything, but how many of us trust Bell ?

I have occasionally found errors in their lookups.

= = = = = = =

What about how many % qualify for <= 15/1 ? (anything DSL but not VDSL)


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said by rocca:

....there was no demand [for 2Mb DSL] over several months and [it] was subsequently dropped as part of a realignment for new offers coming out next month....

 
Someone needs to START a new thread about THAT !


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reply to Davesnothere

said by Davesnothere:

I have occasionally found errors in their lookups.

I'm sure there are a few, but not enough to be statistically relevant.

said by Davesnothere:

What about how many % qualify for <= 15/1 ? (anything DSL but not VDSL)

43% can get VDSL, 57% are less than that. 59% can get some sort of FTTN, 96% are more than 2Mbps.

Bell has no choice but to continue pushing out FTTN as fast as it can to try and keep market share from going to the cable companies.


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said by rocca:

said by Davesnothere:

What about how many % qualify for <= 15/1 ? (anything DSL but not VDSL)

43% can get VDSL, 57% are less than that. 59% can get some sort of FTTN, 96% are more than 2Mbps.

Bell has no choice but to continue pushing out FTTN as fast as it can to try and keep market share from going to the cable companies.

 
And on that, Bell needs to 'get cracking' !

At least for now, Bell is pushing their 'No Usage Caps on ALL Plans' enhancement.

A site where I lookup my TV listings was running a clickable banner about that a few minutes ago, using a Greek infinity symbol.

Ah, 57% (as I figured when you first mentioned the 43% able to get 25Mb service earlier).

So, based on the same extrapolation technique by me, if 59% can get some sort of FTTN, then would 41% be how many lines which are stuck on legacy DSL ? (6Mb and under)


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Correct.



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said by jasmo34:

And how's that FTTN percentage for London? You told me months ago there was "very little" in London.

I moved further into the city in London last year, closer to downtown now. My old address only qualified for 6Mbps/800Kbps. My new address only qualifies for 6/1 on Bell's site but both TekSavvy and Start qualify me for 15/1 and TekSavvy qualifies me for 25/10 even. Postal code is N5V xxx. Dunno if either companies have errors in their qualification postal codes or Bell's web qualifier is out of date.

Considering VDSL atm (its a lot more costly than Cable) since there have been 2 recent major outages with cable in London recently. And I have had Rogers screw up DHCP on my node 3 times cutting my internet on 3 separate weekends. Never had these issues with 6Mbps DSL with TekSavvy or when I was with Primus.

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said by Davesnothere:

And same question, this time for 5/800 legacy DSL service ?

Legacy has been 6M/800 for over a year already.

As far as coverage for 5M/800 goes, I would suspect 96% minus whatever does not qualify for even 2Mbps or has no DSL service whatsoever, so probably better than 90%.


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said by InvalidError:

....As far as coverage for 5M/800 goes, I would suspect 96% minus whatever does not qualify for even 2Mbps or has no DSL service whatsoever, so probably better than 90%.

 
I realized that I had at first asked the wrong question (or worded it wrongly), when I asked again, 3 posts above, where I proposed that 41% do not qualify for FTTN of any type after Mister Rocca had elaborated that 59% DO - and he agreed.

Actually, I wanted to get a sense of what % of lines/loops had NOT been upgraded to ANY type of FTTN, when he had originally only posted of how many qualify for VDSL.