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geokilla

join:2010-10-04
North York, ON

Government killing online surveillance bill

»www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2···ges.html


Riplin

join:2002-05-13
canada

Yea and lets all remember which sleazy corporations secretly supported this bill »www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6505/135/ and take your money elsewhere. Unfortunately its a crapload.



creed3020
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Kitchener, ON
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reply to geokilla

Great news! Thanks for passing out the word.


DanteX

join:2010-09-09
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reply to geokilla

In the words of Uncle Vic

" if your not with us your with the Child Pornographers."

That statement right there proves Politicians are clueless about the problem. The people they do catch are just a small fraction of whats out there

There are so many ways to get private servers and so many sources. I am betting the ones the Government catch are just a drop in the ocean and this method would bring in more innocent people then legit criminals.

Sounds like the government has never heard of I2P, TOR, Encrypted VPN tunnels which will make the plan look Ridiculously failed.

I say this not as a supporter of Child Pornography but as a Person who i in the IT Industry who can see the real picture and the tools used in that real picture.


resa1983
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reply to geokilla

From the CBC story linked by OP:

quote:
The new bill, C-55, would give peace officers the right to secretly intercept private communications without a warrant in relatively rare, urgent situations. Someone whose communications had been intercepted in situations of imminent harm would have to be notified by police within 90 days.
Lawful Access is Dead; Long Live Lawful Intercept
»www.christopher-parsons.com/blog···tercept/
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hm

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said by resa1983:

Lawful Access is Dead; Long Live Lawful Intercept
»www.christopher-parsons.com/blog···tercept/

Chris Parsons puts out good stuff. But usually a heavy read that requires 2 readings. Just looked at it fast, and yup... with the references, that is a 4 coffee reading (I measure time by coffee, pls synchronize your logs files to that).

Short version:
It's not dead. It's just been shuffled into something else. It's out of the fire and into the frying pan.


JunjiHiroma
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join:2008-03-18

said by hm :

said by resa1983:

Lawful Access is Dead; Long Live Lawful Intercept
»www.christopher-parsons.com/blog···tercept/

Chris Parsons puts out good stuff. But usually a heavy read that requires 2 readings. Just looked at it fast, and yup... with the references, that is a 4 coffee reading (I measure time by coffee, pls synchronize your logs files to that).

Short version:
It's not dead. It's just been shuffled into something else. It's out of the fire and into the frying pan.

Just like how CISPA's returning and SOPA's back under a new name (SNOPA).It doesn't matter how these governments slice it,it's the SAME bill with the same wording,just with a bill name change.Even with different wording, it is STILL a bad bill which the government wants to push onto the internet users.This internet snooping war is NOT over by any means,we won the battle (with the Supreme Court decision) but we haven't won the war.


dillyhammer
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said by hm :

Short version:
It's not dead. It's just been shuffled into something else. It's out of the fire and into the frying pan.

You have to read the pertinent sections of the code the way they exist now, and compare them to the amendments they are proposing.

The concept of "lawful intercept" has been around a long time, and so has a peace officer's ability to intercept private communications without a warrant under certain circumstances.

There's no "short version" here. Taken as a whole, line by line, C55 is far less a threat to privacy than C-30.

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MaynardKrebs
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Judges are on-call 24/7 in many jurisdictions.
There's not need for immediate intercept without a warrant.
The carrier/ISP can't do it any faster without a warrant.

Seems to me the Conservatards are watching re-runs of Jack Bauer.



random

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>Seems to me the Conservatards are watching re-runs of Jack Bauer.

or Person of Interest...



dillyhammer
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You'd be shocked at how hard it is to get a warrant.

It is not as simple or fast a thing as you might think. Most are not given out by judges at all, but rather a Justice Of The Peace.

Most JPs will deny if they're not overwhelmed by the bona fides in an affadavit. If it's done over the phone or via fax, even more so.

I think that's why the clause is there. The bureaucracy of a warrant could easily result in injury or death, and in the case of either being imminent, the officer would be indemnified if acting in good faith.

Quite frankly, I have no problem with that.

But conversely, if they act without a warrant and it's in bad faith, there should be an awful price to pay.

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MaynardKrebs
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said by dillyhammer:

But conversely, if they act without a warrant and it's in bad faith, there should be an awful price to pay.

Instruments of medieval torture come to mind.

Who7

join:2012-12-18

As an active and vocal Conservative supporter.....let me say something without saying anything.....

The minister involved think they are doing a greater good without realizing the extent of the greater harm. It's one of those "save the bunnies" bills that the politicians think will "make a difference" with more good then harm to the average citizen. Entirely opposite to the concept that due process, assumption of innocence and privacy.

Politics is not about principles by highly principled people, it's about doing what looks good and effective to the sheep.

Before any of you jump on the "evil Conservative agenda", remember, with a little bit of education, the bill is dead.......while the lefts darling, obama is giving himself judge jury and executioner powers on top of strengthening the Patriot Act.

We need more principled politicians.... and smarter sheep to demand better from them.


booj

join:2011-02-07
Richmond, ON

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said by Who7:

Before any of you jump on the "evil Conservative agenda", remember, with a little bit of education, the bill is dead...

The unpopular bill is dead because the public is sour on it... Only to be revived the next day as C55 and unlawful access snuck into spectrum auction rules.

There has been no change in their agenda.