 En EnferThis account has been compromised join:2003-07-25 Montreal, QC kudos:4 1 edit | [EN+FR] Let's Talk Gonna copy & paste an interesting article that resumes it. quote: Why today is about Bell Canada, and not mental health According to Bell Canada, today is Bell Lets Talk Day. The company launched an initiative that donates to Canadian mental health programs each time you make a long distance call or send a text (if youre a Bell customer), and each time you tweet with the hashtag #BellLetsTalk.
This program is part of, according to the company, an unprecedented multi-year charitable program unprecedented dedicated to the promotion and support of mental health across Canada amounting to $50 million. Its a worthy, topical cause. And, of course, companies arent obligated to engage in this kind of corporate philanthropy.
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| This just in: Bell is a for-profit business! Can it act both altruistically and in self-interest? YES.
The real question is why do feel the need to bash them over this? Don't you already bash them enough over in the Videotron forums?
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 AsherN join:2010-08-23 Thornhill, ON | reply to En Enfer Let me see, Bell uses it's size and reach to raise awaereness on mental illness. Check Bell raises funds for mental illnes. Check Bell also makes money out of it. Check
What is the downside of this? Mental illness as suffered in obscurity long enough. I, for one, am glad that an organization the size of Bell backs the cause so strongly. |
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| reply to JoePro said by JoePro:This just in: Bell is a for-profit business! Can it act both altruistically and in self-interest? YES. Not sure how altruistic you would call this though,
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quote: The tangible benefits package and why CBC opposes it
CRTC policy dictates that when broadcast assets are purchased, a percentage of that purchase price (six per cent for radio, 10 per cent for television) be added on to create a "tangible benefits" package, a plan of spending on funds or projects that benefit the broadcasting system as a whole. Much of that money would be spent on new Canadian programming, which pleases independent producers.
But Bell's proposal also included some more controversial plans for its benefits package. The largest is a $40-million investment into the Northwestel network to allow it to bring broadband service to Canada's north. But Northwestel is a Bell subsidiary, and the CRTC has already mandated it to improve its network, so Bell's competitors blasted this plan as self-serving.
The plan also includes $3.5 million in spending for the Bell Let's Talk campaign for mental illness. Though no one can complain about a charity program, competitors said this was an inappropriate use of benefits funds because it's not a broadcasting venture.
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 En EnferThis account has been compromised join:2003-07-25 Montreal, QC kudos:4 | reply to En Enfer Il y a quand même des points litigieux.
1) Bhell encourage ses clients à utiliser encore plus ses "services payables à l'utilisation" aujourd'hui (interurbains et textos), ce qui leur donne une raison de gonfler la facture pour une cause.
Peu importe l'utilisation de ses clients, Bhell va quand même verser 50 millions cette année dans cette cause charitable.
2) Avez-vous un moyen de savoir exactement (et sans filtres) combien de tweets ont été envoyés avec un #hashtag spécifique dans une période de 24 heures? Non, pas à ma connaissance.
Le problème, c'est l'utilisation du mot "Bell" dans le #hashtag. La sensibilité de la population envers une cause qui les tiens à coeur peut-elle être un motif pour faire de la promotion gratuite du nom d'une compagnie à but très très lucratif ?
3) Et encore, Bhell est l'initiateur de cette cause charitable, mais s'ils auraient opté de tenir un fond neutre et de réduire la taille de leur logo au bas des affiches publicitaires de cette cause, peut-être que Rogers, Telus, Shaw, Vidéotron et autres compagnies de télécommunications auraient embarqué dans cette cause.
Associer la cause à une marque de commerce, c'est carrément fermer la porte aux compétiteurs, qui doivent se trouver quelque chose d'autre...
Si c'est pas une campagne de promotion pour les produits de Bhell, qu'est-ce que c'est au juste ? -- Tell your children over dinner, "Due to the economy, we are going to have to let one of you go." |
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 | reply to En Enfer I agree, its too Bell centric.
Do what I do, visit the website look at the charitable groups that are associated with providing Mental Health services & support. Send them a charitable donation directly or better yet look up the local groups in your area which provide such services and donate to them. You get a tax receipt, they (the charitable groups) get much needed funding, and Bell provided you with pertinent information without making a dime or benefiting directly/indirectly.
I don't tweet, and I am not in the mood to talk with some distant relative I don't like, but I do give care about the health and well-being of fellow Canadians.  |
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 Seb851 join:2010-07-12 Sainte-Marthe-Sur-Le-Lac, QC | reply to En Enfer said by En Enfer:Il y a quand même des points litigieux.
1) Bhell encourage ses clients à utiliser encore plus ses "services payables à l'utilisation" aujourd'hui (interurbains et textos), ce qui leur donne une raison de gonfler la facture pour une cause.
Peu importe l'utilisation de ses clients, Bhell va quand même verser 50 millions cette année dans cette cause charitable.
2) Avez-vous un moyen de savoir exactement (et sans filtres) combien de tweets ont été envoyés avec un #hashtag spécifique dans une période de 24 heures? Non, pas à ma connaissance.
Le problème, c'est l'utilisation du mot "Bell" dans le #hashtag. La sensibilité de la population envers une cause qui les tiens à coeur peut-elle être un motif pour faire de la promotion gratuite du nom d'une compagnie à but très très lucratif ?
3) Et encore, Bhell est l'initiateur de cette cause charitable, mais s'ils auraient opté de tenir un fond neutre et de réduire la taille de leur logo au bas des affiches publicitaires de cette cause, peut-être que Rogers, Telus, Shaw, Vidéotron et autres compagnies de télécommunications auraient embarqué dans cette cause.
Associer la cause à une marque de commerce, c'est carrément fermer la porte aux compétiteurs, qui doivent se trouver quelque chose d'autre...
Si c'est pas une campagne de promotion pour les produits de Bhell, qu'est-ce que c'est au juste ? Videotron sont mieux  |
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 En EnferThis account has been compromised join:2003-07-25 Montreal, QC kudos:4 | T'avais-tu quelque chose d'intelligent à dire, Seb851 ? |
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 En EnferThis account has been compromised join:2003-07-25 Montreal, QC kudos:4 | reply to En Enfer Ironic, but the conversation expanded on the Teksavvy forum : »#BellLetsTalk Initiative Here's Your Chance to cost BHell
The most interesting part, if Bhell gives 5 cents per tweet to the cause with the specific #hashtag, a million tweet means bhell will give... 50 000$, which is way less than the cost of the cause' advertising budget.
Stupid, laughable PR marketing, Bhell. See you next year. -- Tell your children over dinner, "Due to the economy, we are going to have to let one of you go." |
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 SLAMtech join:2009-12-03 London, ON kudos:1 | reply to En Enfer You really got issues buddy. The real winners here are those suffering from mental illnesses. Regardless of the corporation running the campaign raising awareness is key and its another step in the right direction of tackling this situation. |
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 cdeen join:2013-02-04 Mississauga, ON | reply to En Enfer SLAMtech +1 |
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 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 | reply to SLAMtech said by SLAMtech:You really got issues buddy. The real winners here are those suffering from mental illnesses. Regardless of the corporation running the campaign raising awareness is key and its another step in the right direction of tackling this situation. No, they don't win. They get squat. I work and volunteer in the mental health sector. Bell's money means little. -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care. |
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 En EnferThis account has been compromised join:2003-07-25 Montreal, QC kudos:4 | reply to SLAMtech said by SLAMtech:You really got issues buddy. The real winners here are those suffering from mental illnesses. Regardless of the corporation running the campaign raising awareness is key and its another step in the right direction of tackling this situation. Please, elaborate.
As I pointed out, the problem is the corporation running the campaign. Awareness is the key, but WHY do we need to forward the BELL brand in social media networks ?
If you want awareless, use the neutral #MentalIllness hashtag and reach Telus customers in western Canada, not any #Bell* variation hashtag. It's just wrong. -- Tell your children over dinner, "Due to the economy, we are going to have to let one of you go." |
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 | said by En Enfer:If you want awareless, use the neutral #MentalIllness hashtag and reach Telus customers in western Canada, not any #Bell* variation hashtag. It's just wrong. I don't have a problem with a business supporting a cause like this. I suspect that mental illness has touched the life of someone high up in the organization, so they've taken up the cause. That's how these things happen - for better or for worse.
I do however note focus seems to focus heavily on the Bell brand - to the point of being a bit obnoxious. -- MNSi Internet - »www.mnsi.net |
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 | reply to En Enfer said by En Enfer:said by SLAMtech:You really got issues buddy. The real winners here are those suffering from mental illnesses. Regardless of the corporation running the campaign raising awareness is key and its another step in the right direction of tackling this situation. Please, elaborate. As I pointed out, the problem is the corporation running the campaign. Awareness is the key, but WHY do we need to forward the BELL brand in social media networks ? If you want awareless, use the neutral #MentalIllness hashtag and reach Telus customers in western Canada, not any #Bell* variation hashtag. It's just wrong. Maybe because other brands have mostly "IGNORED" The problem. does this not make sense to you? if you ignored the problem and other companies are offering help, people will see there is some light at the end of the other tunnel, even if its not their employer they are still happy that someone is listening, |
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 kovy join:2009-03-26 kudos:8 | reply to En Enfer said by En Enfer:Ironic, but the conversation expanded on the Teksavvy forum : »#BellLetsTalk Initiative Here's Your Chance to cost BHell
The most interesting part, if Bhell gives 5 cents per tweet to the cause with the specific #hashtag, a million tweet means bhell will give... 50 000$, which is way less than the cost of the cause' advertising budget.
Stupid, laughable PR marketing, Bhell. See you next year. So how much is 96,266,266 tweet give ? |
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| reply to En Enfer I really don't care why they are doing it...just glad they gave over 4 million dollars to a worthy cause. I tweeted and retweeted like I have never done before...good for them. -- My Canada includes Quebec. Disclaimer: If I express an opinion, it is my own opinion, not that of Bell or its related companies. |
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 En EnferThis account has been compromised join:2003-07-25 Montreal, QC kudos:4 | reply to kovy said by kovy:So how much is 96,266,266 tweet give ? From Bell's pitched numbers, it's actually 96 266 266 tweets, facebook shares, texts and long distance calls, not just tweets.
Even if Bell's #hashtag hasn't been trending that day, any number the could have come up with is just good PR. Tweets and Facebook shares are public and therefor verifiable data, but, someone PLEASE tell me how to extract these numbers !
Regardless of the above number, Bell donates 50 millions. You as a participating for-the-cause Bell customer get a higher bill for your SMS and LD calls, and you don't even get a charity receipt of your indirect donations to use for your incomes report.
Next step, do we have public records or photos of Bhell actually donating all that money to recipients, or do we just blindly trust them to do the right thing ? -- Tell your children over dinner, "Due to the economy, we are going to have to let one of you go." |
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 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 | reply to Glen1 said by Glen1:I really don't care why they are doing it...just glad they gave over 4 million dollars to a worthy cause. I tweeted and retweeted like I have never done before...good for them. It would have a lot more cred if they didn't make it the lead story on their evening TV news on their flagship stations. And even more cred if they followed the lead of Bruce Power and simply announced the donation and then made it, instead of turning it into a media circus. It reminds me of the celebration of human misery that Kraft Foods engages in with food banks. -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care. |
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 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 | reply to En Enfer said by En Enfer:You as a participating for-the-cause Bell customer get a higher bill for your SMS and LD calls, and you don't even get a charity receipt of your indirect donations to use for your incomes report. But Bell does get the tax credit for their donation. What is wrong with that picture?
Next step, do we have public records or photos of Bhell actually donating all that money to recipients, or do we just blindly trust them to do the right thing ? There are signs of their donations. The CMHA has a new web site with Bell as a logoed sponsor..
And this does exactly what to help people with serious mental health issues? 
Then there is Bell's sponsorship of a CAMH gala. Again, what does that actually do for people with mental health and addiction problems? -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care. |
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